Inworld 3DX meeting - 9 June 2011

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[22:08]  Sakai Openlife: ok back

[22:08]  Sakai Openlife: sorry

[22:08]  April Springs: rather you than me lol

[22:08]  Pauline Blackswan: wb

[22:08]  April Springs: wb

[22:08]  Sakai Openlife: t*this meets probably a little light because we didn't have one last week and I was really late notice on this one

[22:09]  Sakai Openlife: but made another meet

[22:09]  Sakai Openlife: for tommorrow all the same

[22:09]  Sakai Openlife: I only just got my primary box back up in the last few hours

[22:09]  Sakai Openlife: worst timing

[22:09]  Pauline Blackswan: i will not complain if will be short

[22:09]  Pauline Blackswan: i have to wake up early tomorrow

[22:09]  Grimley Graves: HD crash?

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: I was here the day before yesterday

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: doing the new live asset system test

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: in the region

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: and boom

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: bye bye HD

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[22:10]  Grimley Graves: ugh

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: yeah on my primary deve bopx

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: box

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: *it has like 6 drives

[22:10]  Pauline Blackswan: you do backup on regular base isn't?

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: well the all code actually lives in a server

[22:11]  Sakai Openlife: that is replicated onto another server

[22:11]  Sakai Openlife: so even when we work on the code

[22:11]  Sakai Openlife: it doesn't generally live on the box

[22:11]  Sakai Openlife: *safe

[22:11]  Sakai Openlife: so yeah even my dev box was safe

[22:11]  Sakai Openlife: but

[22:11]  Pauline Blackswan: do you use raid service?

[22:11]  Sakai Openlife: it killed the drive that holds only the OS

[22:11]  Sakai Openlife: yeah

[22:11]  Sakai Openlife: every deve box

[22:12]  Sakai Openlife: dev box

[22:12]  Sakai Openlife: has raid disks for anything other than OS

[22:12]  Pauline Blackswan: resident on a different hd?

[22:12]  Sakai Openlife: but was just really inconvenient timing

[22:12]  Sakai Openlife: so no damage or loss or anything like that

[22:12]  Grimley Graves: when is it EVER convienent?

[22:12]  Sakai Openlife: just install some stuff again and all the settings come back

[22:12]  Sakai Openlife: automatically

[22:13]  Pauline Blackswan: unlucky also hd with os can crash

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: yeah

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: ha

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: timing was the worst though

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: takes a bit to setup all the stuff we do

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: to do 'live' tests

[22:13]  Pauline Blackswan: murphy law still active

[22:13]  Pauline Blackswan: very active

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: *when we do live tests we can watch the code and inject mod on the fly

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: so anyways

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: all my dribble

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: lol - asset system is live

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: but not being used by any regions yet

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: we'll move all the regions later today

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: to 0.8.4

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: after I complete the testing later today

[22:15]  Pauline Blackswan: ok

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: good system we've been pretty impressed with it

[22:15]  Pauline Blackswan: what we will notice in our regions?

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: probably not much really

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: essentially it provides the same service

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: that regions require already

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: (the asset()

[22:16]  Pauline Blackswan: yes

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: except that it's redundant

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: and cloud driven

[22:16]  Grimley Graves: no more "Cheops effect"?

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: so can't really lose all the system

[22:16]  Pauline Blackswan: just differents database?

[22:16]  Pauline Blackswan: ah that's interesting

[22:16]  Pauline Blackswan: the no cheops effect

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: nah cheops effect

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: isn't part of this

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: we already fixed thta

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: last week

[22:17]  Grimley Graves: ah cool

[22:17]  Pauline Blackswan: ah ok

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: in an update last week

[22:17]  Pauline Blackswan: cant tell taht becuase i was not here often latest

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: hence you wouldn't have seen it for a while

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: you could have a million items

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: and it won't have any effect

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: *cheered cheops up :)

[22:17]  Grimley Graves: will this help with the friends list problems?

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: it's not friends related

[22:18]  Grimley Graves: hmm :/

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: some of the new things about asset that will come over time

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: is stuff like snapshots appearing on the website

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: and stuff like that

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: *we have a quick and dirty texture thumbnail viewer

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: that we did via web too

[22:19]  Pauline Blackswan: Sakai about friends and groups..... there is a way to disable the group chat in the beginning,... every time a group member logon it opens all the group chat windows

[22:19]  Grimley Graves: nice

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: perhaps we'll do something with that later

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: so we have a lot of new flexibility that we can develop up some cool things

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: that we'll look to take advantage of in the future

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: we might even look at web based asset backup

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: for premium users or something

[22:21]  Grimley Graves: awesome :)

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: *there's so many things we could possibily do with the new syste,

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: system

[22:21]  Pauline Blackswan: hope that will help to fix latent bugs that still since long time

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: *admittedly we don't actually lose assets anyways

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: but

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: soem ppl like the option

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: the openning session

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: is a defualt thing

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: so it is supposed to open a session

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: like we mentioned in a previous meet

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: we'll add customizations to this

[22:22]  Pauline Blackswan: oky

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: for prem users to be able to set prefferred settings

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: for things like auto group sessions

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: and group greet messages

[22:22]  Pauline Blackswan: premium users,....

[22:22]  Pauline Blackswan: available from tomorrow?

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: right part 2 of the stuff i was supposed to mention

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: because we got that 1 day delay

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: it's messed up the timing

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: we were supposed to have asset yesterday, premium today

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: so basically add a day on that

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: what we'll end up doing though

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: is just making next Fridays pay day

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: a double payday

[22:24]  Pauline Blackswan: Sakai do not you think that pay the whole amount for one year membership can discourage newcomers to get premium?

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: for the weekly credits allowance

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: it's not impossible

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: but the administration of handling this

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: would be excessive

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: if it were a short time like 1 month

[22:25]  Pauline Blackswan: ok

[22:25]  Pauline Blackswan: even with autorenew every month?

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: if you took say 15mins of staff time

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: to do something like verifying the payout agreement

[22:26]  Grimley Graves: hi Digital, have a seat

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: we've just lost $

[22:26]  April Springs: Hi Digital

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: so we'd be completely counter productive

[22:26]  Digital CreateWorldz: Thank you :)

[22:26]  Digital CreateWorldz: Helloo

[22:26]  Pauline Blackswan: i understand that

[22:26]  Pauline Blackswan: hello Digital

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: If however the numbers were significantly higher

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: we could possibly do a shorter period later on

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: ie 6 / 3 months

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: and a lot of automation

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: but for now we just want to get it launched

[22:27]  Pauline Blackswan: that would be more reasonable for many

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: and start implementing those premium features

[22:28]  Pauline Blackswan: but ok regions owner that has interests will surely join the premium

[22:28]  Grimley Graves: I dont see the "all at once" payment discouraging serious users

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: yeah I think really it's quite suitable for anyone to take on premium

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: the benefits are useful with or without a region

[22:28]  Pauline Blackswan: like cashing?

[22:29]  Sakai Openlife: partially

[22:29]  Sakai Openlife: although I think it's biggest strengths are in the other features

[22:29]  Sakai Openlife: like credits allowance, uploads allowance and customizations

[22:30]  Pauline Blackswan: yep

[22:30]  Grimley Graves: customizations?

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: and of course if you are a virtual business getting more users with regular credits income

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: will help economy wise

[22:30]  Pauline Blackswan: social features too...sounds interesting

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: exactly

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: we to us (our perspective)

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: for us it's more about bringing a better experience

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: to the end user

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: *and we can do because of the funds that prem brings

[22:31]  Pauline Blackswan: i will finally use my twitter ,... ehehe

[22:31]  Grimley Graves: lol

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: so free is still great that it is free

[22:32]  Sakai Openlife: but to get all the cool bits we want to bring prem makes perfect sense

[22:32]  Sakai Openlife: I would expect at some point the list of prem features is as long as my arm

[22:32]  Grimley Graves: any thoughts on an initial stipend for new avatars?

[22:33]  Pauline Blackswan: age verify will be introduced?

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: yeah we still keep bringing that up in our own meets

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: (in the office)

[22:33]  Grimley Graves: not a lot

[22:33]  Grimley Graves: maybe 25 credits

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: because we have a 'balanced' credits system

[22:33]  Grimley Graves: or so

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: it means any we put in

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: dilute the value of the credits pool

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: *effects cashout and monthly credits payments for region renewals

[22:33]  Grimley Graves: enough for a few uploads to dress their avatar or start a business

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: i think if someone wanted to do business it's not unreasonable they buy a few

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: but something to draw creation

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: targeted at new users

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: would be the aim

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: of any credits on arrival

[22:34]  Grimley Graves: well, I was thinking of the starving students LOL

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: I hope those are not the same ones that buy beer rather than paying their rent

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: :p

[22:35]  Grimley Graves: hehe, starving not thirsty

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: but the short answer is yes we want to deliver some credits in hand on arrival

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: the idea that seems to be gaining momentum in the office atm

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: is that we would tie it in to the acheivements system

[22:36]  Grimley Graves: or, maybe, instead of credits a set number of free uploads

[22:36]  Pauline Blackswan: any planned incentive to people that will bring new premium members?

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: so perhaps after your first hour online (which is an acheivement)

[22:36]  Grimley Graves: achieve the same thing without dillution

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: we'd reward you with a few credits

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: *also harder to spoof that too

[22:37]  Grimley Graves: true

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: in your first few mins it's unlikely you even need any credits

[22:37]  Grimley Graves: not in the first min

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: so it would give you a little reason

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: to hang about

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: and go have a look

[22:38]  Grimley Graves: except for an upload or two

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: before we put some shiny credits in your hands

[22:38]  Grimley Graves: I still want to see something like PoG back again

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: I know when I'm in welcome credits / uploads are not usually the first thing on their mind

[22:38]  Grimley Graves: earn the credits with a game

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: it's more like argh get me a shape!

[22:39]  Pauline Blackswan: i remember when i joined OL i earned my first ten credits at pog

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: I want to be male!

[22:39]  Pauline Blackswan: and after 30 minutes i was owning a region

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: u were fast :)

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: we would love to make another game

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: and there's been a few ideas rattling around about that too

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: *but we've been quite industrious the last few months

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: in other areas to get into making another one

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: but would be great if the next one was a group activity

[22:40]  Pauline Blackswan: you talk about games,... any danger that gambling will be allowed or introduced in OLG?

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: danger?

[22:41]  Grimley Graves: :)

[22:41]  Pauline Blackswan: yes because i do not like gambling

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: if you set up ie a dedicated casino idea that would against Terms of Use

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: but if you played blackjack with some friends thats quite different

[22:41]  Grimley Graves: gambling and sex, the two scourges of SL

[22:41]  Pauline Blackswan: ok like real life

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: *yeah pretty much

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[22:42]  Pauline Blackswan: at least in my country

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: most things virtual are very much real

[22:42]  Grimley Graves: gambling is just a legal headache tho

[22:42]  Digital CreateWorldz: SL makes most of its money with "sex" things lol

[22:42]  Pauline Blackswan: we talked about sex one of the last meeting i attended

[22:42]  Grimley Graves: and the sex is just an annoyance

[22:42]  Digital CreateWorldz: Sorry I just came from there

[22:42]  Digital CreateWorldz: agreed

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: at the end of the day we want you really to enjoy yourself and have fun

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: there are many ways you can enjoy yourself

[22:43]  Sakai Openlife: doesn't have to be one thing

[22:43]  Pauline Blackswan: agree

[22:43]  Sakai Openlife: but a game concept maybe the next one we should hit the forum for ideas

[22:44]  Sakai Openlife: with a guide about what we were hoping to achieve with it

[22:44]  Sakai Openlife: we can certainly code far beyond any lsl script

[22:44]  Grimley Graves: yeah, get some feedback

[22:44]  Sakai Openlife: so imlplementing is not as tough as it sounds

[22:44]  Pauline Blackswan: yes, i am sure you have already something in your mind

[22:44]  Sakai Openlife: hehe yes

[22:44]  Sakai Openlife: but doesn't make it the best idea ;)

[22:44]  Pauline Blackswan: who knows?

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: tons of creative ppl in Openlife

[22:45]  Grimley Graves: as long as it isn't a zombie shootem-up game :P

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: So yes premium will still make it this weekend

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: and we'll double next weeks stiped because of the delay

[22:46]  Pauline Blackswan: hum ,.. Grimley i will save you.....

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: so that the early bird max 450cr free is still possible toget

[22:46]  Grimley Graves: hehe

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: keeping in mind

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: that we are getting to the end

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: of the base functions

[22:46]  Grimley Graves: you mentioned benefits for early adopters?

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: so we'll be able to focus on some value added features

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: like games

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: ssos

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: etc

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: in the near future

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: early adopters

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: yes

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: get June free

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: *so your official prem start date

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: would say Jule 1st

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: July 1st

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: but we'll stipend you

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: and give you upload allowance for this month

[22:48]  Grimley Graves: nice

[22:48]  Pauline Blackswan: Sakai , improve the contact us .... would not be a great thing?

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: its there

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: and we answer

[22:48]  April Springs: Sorry im going to have to go will see you all soon

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: we would like to also tie it into your avatar though

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: so that if you send one

[22:48]  Pauline Blackswan: well we get an email that basically is our email

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: we can reply and it goes email + avatar

[22:49]  Sakai Openlife: no worries april

[22:49]  Grimley Graves: nite April, I'll have the transcript if you want it

[22:49]  Pauline Blackswan: Bye April

[22:49]  April Springs: bye all

[22:49]  Pauline Blackswan: sweet dreams

[22:49]  Sakai Openlife: we'll get more notice up for next weeks meet

[22:49]  April Springs: no problem thanks

[22:49]  Sakai Openlife: this was pretty last minute

[22:50]  Grimley Graves: well, it's alwasy scheduled for thursdays right?

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: yeah it is

[22:50]  Pauline Blackswan: ok

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: but I'm wondering if a weekend time would turn out better

[22:50]  Pauline Blackswan: i will leave too,....

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: although admittedly

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: when we give more notice about the meets

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: they are pretty full

[22:51]  Grimley Graves: true

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: take pauline

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: cya round ;)

[22:51]  Grimley Graves: nite Pauline

[22:51]  Pauline Blackswan: yep i should be more online next days

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: I've got 10mins then I need to get home too

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[22:52]  Pauline Blackswan: i left behind a lot of works in my regions

[22:52]  Sakai Openlife: :)

[22:52]  Grimley Graves: it's ok Pauline, no worries

[22:52]  Sakai Openlife: so while i drink down the last of my coffee any Q?

[22:52]  Pauline Blackswan: hugs

[22:52]  Grimley Graves: well, any schedule for working on friends list?

[22:53]  Grimley Graves: it's caused me problems recently

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: probably about 2 weeks out

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: I should think

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: is it friends flags? that are causing you issue?

[22:53]  Grimley Graves: when someone shows as online when they are not really there you cant send IM's

[22:54]  Digital CreateWorldz: Why am I bald every time I login? lol

[22:54]  Grimley Graves: they get sent to the "ghost" av and not stored as offline IM's

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: I see you with hai

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: hair

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: *not prim hair

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: but generic hair

[22:54]  Digital CreateWorldz: Yeah because I just made it

[22:54]  Digital CreateWorldz: yes

[22:54]  Digital CreateWorldz: lol

[22:55]  Digital CreateWorldz: I havent shopped around yet

[22:55]  Digital CreateWorldz: lol

[22:55]  Grimley Graves: hmm, attachments should stay with you

[22:55]  Digital CreateWorldz: I have one it wont let me put it on

[22:55]  Sakai Openlife: i think i might have on you can use

[22:55]  Grimley Graves: di dyou get it here?

[22:56]  Digital CreateWorldz: I got it at Wharehouse? I think thats what it was called.

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: prim hair?

[22:56]  Grimley Graves: ok, the free av pack?

[22:56]  Digital CreateWorldz: Yes it was a free av pack

[22:56]  Grimley Graves: hmm, ok

[22:57]  Digital CreateWorldz: lol

[22:57]  Sakai Openlife: abotu your land Q

[22:57]  Digital CreateWorldz: TY :)

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: you can either go for a whole region

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: or go for a parcel

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: from another user

[22:58]  Digital CreateWorldz: I want a whole region, Ive been using parcels for the last 2 years. But Im waiting to decide if its worth it before I do it.

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: fair enough

[22:58]  Grimley Graves: cool

[22:59]  Digital CreateWorldz: Havent put my payment info yet or anything.

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: if you're wanting to try parcels

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: http://openlifegrid.com/AvailParcels.aspx

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: that's the link to peoples advertised parcels

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: obviously regions are probably more popular

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: (you have all the power then)

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: grims has a pretty cool region too

[23:00]  Grimley Graves: the payment info thing is a SL thing, we dont yet have premium memberships, but will by this weekend

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: yours is an effort of about 2yrs now right?

[23:01]  Grimley Graves: umm, I think it's been about that

[23:01]  Grimley Graves: didn't take 2 years to build

[23:01]  Digital CreateWorldz: I came on here a long time ago, was land free then>

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: the 'flip side' PUN intended

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: is that a whole region you get scene flip

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: *which is like 2 regions

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: or even 5

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: in the 1 region

[23:02]  Grimley Graves: flip is cool, not available on any other grid

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: yeah it's not an sl thing it's an Openlife thing

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: hey Shai G'Morning

[23:03]  Grimley Graves: Morning Shai

[23:03]  Shai Khalifa: g'day mate, gee, nice loungeroom

[23:03]  Digital CreateWorldz: So how exactly would I pay for land without putting in payment info?

[23:03]  Shai Khalifa: hey Grims

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: ?

[23:03]  Grimley Graves: initally thru paypal

[23:03]  Shai Khalifa: Hi Digital

[23:03]  Digital CreateWorldz: Ah right

[23:03]  Digital CreateWorldz: Hiya Shai

[23:04]  Grimley Graves: just like buying credits

[23:04]  Sakai Openlife: yeah it's all done via paypal

[23:04]  Digital CreateWorldz: Nice to meet you

[23:04]  Sakai Openlife: we don't want to hold credit cards

[23:04]  Sakai Openlife: are anything like that

[23:04]  Digital CreateWorldz: ok nice

[23:04]  Sakai Openlife: there's no need really

[23:04]  Grimley Graves: then you could pay your renewal the same way, or with credits you earn

[23:04]  Sakai Openlife: u can use whatever method you like via paypal

[23:05]  Sakai Openlife: no contract you just renew it

[23:05]  Sakai Openlife: if you want to keep it

 

......the meeting basically ended here knowing there would be another one in about 12 hours’ time.