inworld 3DX meeting - 09 February 2011

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[22:08]  Balanor Starsider: Hi folks.

[22:08]  Sakai Openlife: G'Day

[22:09]  Balanor Starsider: Glad to takew part.

[22:09]  Surreal Numbers: hi cheops

[22:09]  Cheops Forlife: hello Sakai, Balanor, Surr

[22:09]  Balanor Starsider: Greetings!

[22:09]  Surreal Numbers: hi tom

[22:10]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: Hello Surreal and Bal

[22:10]  Cheops Forlife: Shai forgives she can't be there

[22:10]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: Hello Cheops

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: np's

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: I think this is about 9am in australia

[22:10]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: Hi there Sakai

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: so about ppl's work time unfortunately

[22:10]  Cheops Forlife: she is working RL

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: hi! Iam

[22:11]  Balanor Starsider: (wrinkles nose) hat it when i gotta work rl.

[22:11]  Balanor Starsider: hatew*

[22:11]  Balanor Starsider: Oh hell. Nevermind.

[22:11]  Sakai Openlife: hehe i 'would' say that

[22:11]  Sakai Openlife: but

[22:11]  Sakai Openlife: I like my job

[22:11]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[22:11]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: wish I had a job

[22:12]  Sakai Openlife: 'they happen' ;)

[22:12]  Sakai Openlife: I'm sure one will 'happen' for you too ;p

[22:12]  Sakai Openlife: oddly i don't see 'iam'

[22:13]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: I am happy being retrired from "work"

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: i hear you but no idea where you are

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: (weird)

[22:13]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: ohh my

[22:13]  Surreal Numbers: stand up and sit agaiin tom

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: I'm guessing you sat before i had a chance to load you

[22:13]  Balanor Starsider: I also am happly retired.

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: (*something i guess i should find out the reason for)

[22:14]  Cheops Forlife: or we'll build you a dog Sakai

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: retired sounds nice

[22:14]  Cheops Forlife: helper

[22:14]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: i sent my body on the TP also , I must have left it at Place. I will go and see if i can find my other half

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife dreams

[22:14]  Cheops Forlife: hahaha

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: oh dear the atomizer must have scrambled you!

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: I hope Star Trek takes note of these teleports

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: 'disapearing bodies'

[22:15]  Cheops Forlife: hehe

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: I thought I'd bring along that screen preview

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: of the new site to this meet

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: hey see you well now

[22:15]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: yay, I am here

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: so this 'site' preview it's not the 'new' site

[22:15]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: i found myself in the cats mouth

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: but it is a refresh

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: and very similar theme to the new site

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: *we thought we'd do a 'refresh' on the current site

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: while the new one is being made

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: to get some of the new look to everyone faster

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: (and get feedback on the style etc)

[22:16]  Balanor Starsider: cool

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: we're going to do something a bit different that we haven't done in the past 3 yrs

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: and that's we're putting a lot of info into the public space

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: (non-login)

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: being 'The Hub'

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: so we have these 4 tiles on the bottom

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: of the preview

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: (that will actually be 8 tiles in total)

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: but cut off a couple in the preview

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: in general the tiles info

[22:17]  Surreal Numbers: i was going to suggest adding Flip Scene

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: is public

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: and the info they point to always lives in the hub

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: which is also public

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: we'll attempt to be pretty active with the hub

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: adding new bits all the time

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: so that it can be a handy news / browsing source

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: for Openlife users

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: and of course potential users can see there's quite a lot here

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: sort of exposes a lot more of what's inside

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: to the outside so to speak

[22:19]  Cheops Forlife: ok

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: we'll most likely also make it possible for users to submit features too if they feel keen

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: so the kinds of things we'll put there

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: is region review

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: general information

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: tutorial vids

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: *other handy tips

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: major upcoming events

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: etc

[22:20]  Balanor Starsider: That's a good idea. Let residents here show off their work.

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: so we'll try to get about from time to time

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: and take a few snaps at a region

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: etc

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: and show it off

[22:20]  Cheops Forlife: and time enough for maintenance of it Sakai?

[22:20]  Balanor Starsider: nodding

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: if you launched some fancy pants new store

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: we might even take a look at that too

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: well it won't be a daily thing

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: but we'll get a few in there each week

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: if it turns out to be a great core

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: then maybe we can expand that

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: to even more frequent

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: So the option that disapeared across the top

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: was 'My Toolbox';

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: instead of it living up there

[22:22]  Balanor Starsider: submit the texture to yourwself or are you going to make some kind of deposit box?

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: options will appear

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: in the hub when you're logged in

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: if you're not logged in then you won't see the options in the hub

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: so in that way it's nice and simple but keeps bringing you back alot od whats going on

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: all the time

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: *so if you left an offline invite

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: to someone

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: they could see it and accept it from the web

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: (or when they next login)-

[22:24]  Cheops Forlife: ah good

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: although we haven't done it yet for friends

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: we'll try to do it too

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: it's a nice compact view compared to now

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: where you'll see a box

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: with a number in it

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: (indicating how many requests you have)

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: ie how many > offline IM, friend invite, group invite, group notice

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: so things will be nice and clean

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: i suspect alot of this is influence from the way the new windows phone 7's operate

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: (as we've also been making games for that platform here @ 33DX)

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: (33? 3dx) hehe

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: we'd love of course to expand the concept much further in the new site (rather than the refresh)

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: to include live messaging

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: and active profiles online

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: another item that will come up in a month or so is 'primary' avatar

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: sometime after the refresh

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: we'll be asking everyone to delegate their primary avatar

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: (the one you consider you're main avatar in the even youhave multiple AV's)

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: this is so the web will identify your avatar

[22:28]  Balanor Starsider: Hmmm.

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: rather than user

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: as we'll switch over in the new upcoming site (not refresh)

[22:29]  Sakai Openlife: to using avatar as login

[22:29]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: will it identify people using alts as well

[22:29]  Balanor Starsider: What usefulnewss will knowing a users primaryav be to the grid?

[22:29]  Sakai Openlife: atm you don't know who an alt is

[22:29]  Sakai Openlife: more so we can address you by your avatar

[22:29]  Sakai Openlife: on the web and things like that

[22:29]  Balanor Starsider: ah.

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: ie forum tag

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: a little confusing atm

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: if you don't make you're accounts 'display name'

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: your avatar name

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: you just get a bunch of names that make it all a bit weird

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: atm there's just too much

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: a username for login

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: a displayname for what everyone sees on the site

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: an avatar

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: or 2 or 3 or 4

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: all a bit confusing in the end

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: 1

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: :|

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: so to help us get to a simpe method

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: (and for registration too!_)

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: we'll ask for a primary avatar

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: that we'll end up making the login for the new site

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: in a few months

[22:32]  Sakai Openlife: did anyone have any thoughts about anything they'd like to see in the web

[22:32]  Sakai Openlife: ?

[22:33]  Cheops Forlife: I'm so fine when inworld..... so I try to imagine when I'm not, what do I need there loll

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: ...pouring a cup of coffee

[22:34]  Balanor Starsider: make renting and enewing reagon payments area stand out a little more?

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: ok

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: sounds like a good idea

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: perhaps we can put notices in the hub for you too

[22:35]  Balanor Starsider: I didn't find it intuitive (or, alt, I was sleepy. hehe)

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: hehe the present site?/

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: (yes i agree the [present site is lots of bits patched together)

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: over time

[22:35]  Balanor Starsider: nod. just the reagon payment renew spot. All else is col.

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: i get that impression when I'm in the present toolbox

[22:36]  Balanor Starsider: cool*

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: I think also we had a present for everyone

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: that we kept delaying

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: I think i may as well reveal it

[22:36]  Balanor Starsider: sits up. hewhe

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: as it's not yet available for everyone but will be

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: we've been testing a pretty nifty new feature for everyone

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: amongst all the stuff we've been doing

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: that will make communicating with ppl from whatever culture they come from a lot easier

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: *an instant translator

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: (and automatic)

[22:37]  Balanor Starsider: Oh cool!

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: it does about 40 languages

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: and you don't need to do anything to use

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: it

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: we'll unveil it properly pretty soon

[22:38]  Balanor Starsider: Is it worn?

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: but basically

[22:38]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: can it work in IM also

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: when you get an IM

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: or get a text in open chat

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: if it's not your language

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: it will translate it for you

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: automatically

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: (or automagically???)

[22:38]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: even in IM's

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: yep even IM's

[22:38]  Balanor Starsider: OMG stop!

[22:38]  Balanor Starsider: hehe

[22:38]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: YAY

[22:39]  Surreal Numbers: does it affect region performance?

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: nope

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: you see the original message

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: and then the translate a moment after

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: (happens in parrallel)

[22:39]  Balanor Starsider: very nice.

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: unique to you

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: so as an example

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: if you were talking to 3 ppl

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: chinese, japanes, english

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: you would see what is relevant to you

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: and the same for the respective 3rd persons

[22:40]  Surreal Numbers: translation is done server side?

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: *it's like you're all speaking the same language

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: correct

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: nothing for you to install

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: or anything like that

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: you just chat away

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: and it will do its thing

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: it will be with you in any region

[22:41]  Balanor Starsider: Translators are wonderful but some funny translations occationally bonk you.

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: so no SSO

[22:41]  Surreal Numbers: lol yes!

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: don't need to attach anything

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: no scripts

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: or anything like that

[22:41]  Balanor Starsider: cool on the no attach.

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: and you can turn it off for an individual

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: or for everyone

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: at any time

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: just using open chat

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: of course yes

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: some things might translate bad

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: (it's machine translation after all)

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: but I think it would be a first for any world

[22:42]  Balanor Starsider: Of course.

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: it'll also be a key feature we promote

[22:42]  Surreal Numbers: it's a very good feature.

[22:43]  Sakai Openlife: *and something we're pretty excited about when we tested it

[22:43]  Sakai Openlife: we got pretty close to being able to text > to speech it too

[22:43]  Sakai Openlife: (playing it back to you in audio)

[22:43]  Sakai Openlife: but didn't complete as that might be a bit too dorky for now

[22:44]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[22:44]  Sakai Openlife: but we'll leave the door open for it as a possibility later

[22:44]  Sakai Openlife: ;)

[22:44]  Sakai Openlife: as it could be a pretty handy accessability tool later on

[22:44]  Surreal Numbers: would be useful for visually impaired

[22:44]  Balanor Starsider: Does it sound like Stephen Hawki9ns?

[22:44]  Sakai Openlife: indeed (although i think many parts of the viewer are really lacking for impaired at present)

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: nah

[22:45]  Balanor Starsider: grin

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: but seems ot be a mix of man or woman atm

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: which is weird

[22:45]  Surreal Numbers: lol

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: sometimes man voice

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: then woman voice

[22:45]  Surreal Numbers: and we'd all sound alike

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[22:45]  Balanor Starsider: I've met that person, btw. hehe

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: but I hope to see that come to everyone very soon

[22:45]  Balanor Starsider: (the man woman mix)

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: we have part 5 of 6 coming out today

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: so that will extend more groups

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: and parts 6 on Sat.

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: which will wrap up the 'major' items for us

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: for Feb

[22:46]  Balanor Starsider: explain extend more groups please.

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: although there'll be more minor releases

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: throughout the month as usual

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: this 6 part of pretty major

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: we ripped up the old groups stuff

Openlife: so that will extend more groups

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: and parts 6 on Sat.

[22:46]  Sakai Openlife: which will wrap up the 'major' items for us

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: redid it

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: and this 6 part update

[22:47]  Balanor Starsider: oh.

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: brings all the function back

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: and then some

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: so the group im etc

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: returns

[22:47]  Balanor Starsider: grousps are a big deal.

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: better, faster, more efficient etc

[22:47]  Sakai Openlife: in the new release the timing for group perms is reduced to 60secs

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: from the previous 15mins

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: (ie cache)

[22:48]  Balanor Starsider: Question: Is it possible to joinan OL group via a scripted object in OL?

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: so if you assigned a group perm now

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: we are releasing an SSO

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: that will on touch

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: join you to a group

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: in the new sso store

[22:48]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[22:49]  Sakai Openlife: we'll do the same for friends too

[22:49]  Sakai Openlife: we've sort of come to a point in Openlife

[22:49]  Sakai Openlife: where we can start doing all these funky candy items

[22:49]  Balanor Starsider: sso store? I'm still moferately new.

[22:49]  Sakai Openlife: which an add or extend function

[22:49]  Sakai Openlife: in cool new ways

[22:49]  Sakai Openlife: so SL doesn't have this 'SSO' thing

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: (an interactive server side object)

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: but an sso is simple

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: it's just a prim

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: that has behaviours

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: or interactiunos

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: without scripts

[22:50]  Balanor Starsider: really! Cool!

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: so you might have seen the way we transfer land in openlife

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: (it's just a prim)

[22:50]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: when you learn to type the name corectly

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: a smart prim

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: but a prim nonetheless

[22:50]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: LOL

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: that can transfer land

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: they're just ordinary prims on the outsude

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: and to use them

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: you just name them

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: ie ...

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: SSO: Parcel.TransferUL

[22:51]  Balanor Starsider: I recall making a regon rent paying box. That's an sso?

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: in the name box

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: yep

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: that's also an SSO

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: pretty simple

[22:51]  Balanor Starsider: nodding

[22:51]  Sakai Openlife: but it makes things really easyu

[22:52]  Sakai Openlife: because you don't have to fiddle with scripts

[22:52]  Sakai Openlife: etc

[22:52]  Balanor Starsider: Good. SL group joining can be tedious.

[22:52]  Sakai Openlife: and we can do things that scripts can't

[22:52]  Sakai Openlife: by programming the behaviours from our end

[22:52]  Sakai Openlife: so there's a new region that will pop up soon

[22:52]  Sakai Openlife: with SSO stores in it

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: for SSO's that we'll make available to purchase

[22:53]  Balanor Starsider: Be sure and tell us all. This I wanna see.

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: all other sso's are free

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: and listed in the wiki

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: so things like joining group or friend offer

[22:53]  Balanor Starsider: Just search sso?

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: and a bunch of others

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: we'll add in there too

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: wiki.openlifegrid.com

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: you can find the sso's that are available now there

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: so for openlife it's starting to heat up

[22:54]  Balanor Starsider: Furiously cut and pasting.

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: because we can really get creative now

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: that the buk of the basic items are done

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: we'll also be introducing our all you can eat model

[22:55]  Sakai Openlife: in the new site refresh behind me

[22:55]  Sakai Openlife: so things like custom maptils

[22:55]  Balanor Starsider: Congrats Sakai.

[22:55]  Sakai Openlife: which some people might have noticed on some regions already

[22:55]  Sakai Openlife: all you can eat is pretty simple

[22:55]  Sakai Openlife: any addons that we make for your regions

[22:55]  Sakai Openlife: will be a buy once

[22:55]  Sakai Openlife: and have it forever as long as you own the region

[22:55]  Sakai Openlife: no monthly extras

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: an example is scene flip

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: at the moment you get 1 free slot

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: but will be able to exapnd that to 5 slots

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: with a one time all you can eat SSO

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: then you have 5 slots forever ㋡

[22:57]  Sakai Openlife: those custom maptiles will be the same

[22:57]  Sakai Openlife: a one time sso

[22:57]  Sakai Openlife: and you can change maptile whenever you like

[22:57]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: I hit my hour any Q's ?

[22:58]  Balanor Starsider: Got mine in already.

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[22:59]  Cheops Forlife: still the same, for the moment, how to make come more people from now

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: cool

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: I'll get together with shai later this week

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: and get the community region kicked off

[22:59]  Balanor Starsider: Could someone make a cut and past ad for Open life? I'd like to place it in facebook and my web site.

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: we've still got the same numbers about 30-50 new users arriving

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: every day

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: sure

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: maybe I can put a bunch of banners and creatives

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: available for anyone

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: that use the new theme

[23:00]  Balanor Starsider: Snazy idea.

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: when we get that new theme online

[23:00]  Balanor Starsider: hehe

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: i think looking at the progress that has been made

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: on that new site refresh

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: we might get it some time next week

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: the guys have been doing really well and fast progress on it

[23:01]  Cheops Forlife: we need that the readers concerned by VWs know more about here

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: you know we actually have ads coming out in amrch

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: march

[23:01]  Cheops Forlife: reader of sites

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: (first time ever)

[23:01]  Balanor Starsider: Let us know when one can submit reagon texture.

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: we've never advertised anywhere ever

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: so this will be interesting

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[23:01]  Balanor Starsider: Wow.

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: 3yrs +

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: 70,000 registered just ppl telling ppl

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: but admittedly it's been a long road

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: to go from nothing to here

[23:02]  Cheops Forlife: yes but atm this does'nt seem to work anymore

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: i mean the first login

[23:02]  Balanor Starsider: I found you in a google search.

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: there was nothing~!

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: when i first logged in

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: it was about 20secs

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: until i crashed

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: and it was just water

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: and a llittle lump of land

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: and a strange grey guy

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: (fat and bald with pigtails)

[23:03]  Balanor Starsider: hahaha

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: there was no such thing as inventory

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: or clothes

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: or anything like that

[23:03]  Cheops Forlife: OL is not the only one it seems VWs are in a crisis because of the social networks, time consuming ...

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: a lot of VW closed last year

[23:04]  Sakai Openlife: (big ones too)

[23:04]  Cheops Forlife: so this is a good moment for showing again and more what it the + with VWs

[23:04]  Sakai Openlife: but I think openlife has come out pretty strong really

[23:04]  Balanor Starsider: Well damnit, don't do that. This is my home now and I detest sl.

[23:04]  Cheops Forlife: before others start the same

[23:04]  Sakai Openlife: admittedly we're not huge

[23:04]  Sakai Openlife: but we are now a solid little community

[23:04]  Sakai Openlife: with a good platform

[23:05]  Balanor Starsider: (close, I mean)

[23:05]  Cheops Forlife: less and less coming Sakai

[23:05]  Sakai Openlife: and that's a great place to launch from really

[23:05]  Sakai Openlife: so I think it should be a pretty exciting year

[23:05]  Sakai Openlife: 3DX also has other products coming out this year

[23:05]  Balanor Starsider: less and less coming what, Cheops?

[23:05]  Sakai Openlife: that we'll cross promote openlife into

[23:06]  Cheops Forlife: a part of the community

[23:06]  Sakai Openlife: so will be interesting to see what comes from that too

[23:06]  Cheops Forlife: it will be long before the mouth to mouth will work

[23:06]  Sakai Openlife: mouth to mouth has always been working

[23:06]  Sakai Openlife: it's generally how ppl end up here

[23:06]  Sakai Openlife: bring your friends etc

[23:07]  Balanor Starsider: I've got what is effectively an OL ad in my sl profile. hehe

[23:07]  Cheops Forlife: so why not working since all the imporvements?

[23:07]  Sakai Openlife: it is

[23:07]  Sakai Openlife: i guess it depends on what you are wanting

[23:07]  Sakai Openlife: if you're looking for the front door to be streaming in new users

[23:07]  Sakai Openlife: at 1000 an hour

[23:08]  Sakai Openlife: then it needs hype + marketing

[23:08]  Sakai Openlife: but as it is it's still steady new users everyday

[23:08]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: at any given time I do not see more than four or five people on at any given time

[23:08]  Cheops Forlife: no Sakai, but I'm alone with Surr here almost all the day..... just few hours others come and go, and some visitors, this is like this for months now

[23:09]  Balanor Starsider: Je3ez, maybe I need to begin having DJs events, but even in monster sl it's hard to get those attended.

[23:09]  Sakai Openlife: indeed really only the peak times pick up considerably

[23:09]  Sakai Openlife: and of course the things that keep people about

[23:09]  Sakai Openlife: are events

[23:09]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: what are peak times, when we have these meetings or an event?

[23:09]  Sakai Openlife: Bal is right though

[23:09]  Sakai Openlife: SL is not significantly easier or anything about events

[23:10]  Balanor Starsider: I'll get to work on it. I can't build all the time.

[23:10]  Sakai Openlife: this is a reason why we want to pull in the community region

[23:10]  Sakai Openlife: as a good meet point

[23:10]  Sakai Openlife: try to funnel people together

[23:10]  Sakai Openlife: to meet each other ;)

[23:11]  Balanor Starsider: I'm guilty of siting in my wallow and working constantly.

[23:11]  Sakai Openlife: it's ok

[23:11]  Sakai Openlife: you're welcome to do so

[23:11]  Sakai Openlife: that is part of Openlife

[23:11]  Sakai Openlife: it is an open platform like that

[23:11]  Sakai Openlife: many people here are happily creative

[23:11]  Surreal Numbers: 3dx outreach is equally important. the grid has many compelling features now but they need to be promoted in the vw blogs, etc.

[23:12]  Sakai Openlife: exactly hence now is the time to kick that off

[23:12]  Balanor Starsider: Okay, I m going to go read the notices behind you.

[23:12]  Sakai Openlife: I think many would know we've been delaying it till we felt time was right

[23:12]  Sakai Openlife: and i think we've reached that with the final 6 part

[23:12]  Balanor Starsider: get those cut and paste ads and I'lls use 'em. Promise.

[23:13]  Sakai Openlife: sure ㋡

[23:13]  Sakai Openlife: we've got a good mail list to send to too

[23:13]  Sakai Openlife: (much requested)(

[23:13]  Sakai Openlife: at the same time

[23:13]  Sakai Openlife: I should say

[23:13]  Sakai Openlife: if we came out of the box so to speak too soon

[23:13]  Sakai Openlife: then we could burn good will

[23:13]  Sakai Openlife: (ie if we jumped out a year and a half ago)

[23:14]  Sakai Openlife: the platform was not stable or featureful to do so

[23:14]  Cheops Forlife: sure but now is now

[23:14]  Sakai Openlife: right ;)

[23:14]  Sakai Openlife: which is why now is the time ㋡

[23:14]  Cheops Forlife: and before some of us will be too much discouraged

[23:14]  Sakai Openlife: so we have some things going out next month

[23:14]  Surreal Numbers: yes, i understand. i'm was just reinforcing the idea that this is a good time to begin marketing

[23:14]  Sakai Openlife: to test the waters

[23:14]  Sakai Openlife: so to sepak

[23:14]  Sakai Openlife: speak

[23:15]  Sakai Openlife: and we'll try to measure what they do

[23:15]  Sakai Openlife: before the next step

[23:15]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[23:15]  Cheops Forlife: I understand and you

[23:15]  Cheops Forlife: right not to hurry

[23:15]  Cheops Forlife: since a long time

[23:15]  Cheops Forlife: about promotion

[23:15]  Cheops Forlife: but

[23:15]  Sakai Openlife: getting right is definately important ㋡

[23:15]  Balanor Starsider: I'm going to go buy a stream. See you all later

[23:16]  Sakai Openlife: np's

[23:16]  Sakai Openlife: ciao

[23:16]  Surreal Numbers: bye bal take care

[23:16]  Cheops Forlife: by bal

[23:16]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: later Bal

[23:16]  Sakai Openlife: maybe we should make a stream sso ?

[23:16]  Sakai Openlife: (although perhaps legally we shouldn't)

[23:16]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[23:16]  Sakai Openlife: brb 2min

[23:17]  Cheops Forlife: but yes, people is far from VWs atm, but some in still attracted by SL

[23:17]  Cheops Forlife: so we really need to communicate not only about OL but about what are VWs

[23:19]  Surreal Numbers: there's a lot of info about vws around but technologies tend to cycle and atm social media tools are in the sunlight

[23:19]  Sakai Openlife: indeed could facebook suck up much more of the sun?

[23:19]  Surreal Numbers: i'm still very optimistic about the future of vws. there's stil la lot of r&d money being poured into them

[23:20]  [23:20]  Sakai Openlife: I would say i think it could of gone either way about 5 years back

[23:20]  Sakai Openlife: but SL missed the opportunity

[23:20]  Surreal Numbers: someone ouught to make a vw plugin for facebook and sell it to them :P

[23:20 [23:20]  Sakai Openlife: hehe someone has!

[23:21]  [23:21]  Sakai Openlife: sort of mmorpg styled

[23:21]  Surreal Numbers: who?

[23:21]  Sakai Openlife: chat to friends etc

[23:21]  Sakai Openlife: mm let me find something

[23:21]  Sakai Openlife: i know vivaty has

[23:21]  Sakai Openlife: but it's no the one i'm thinking of

[23:21]  Surreal Numbers: k

[23:22]  Sakai Openlife: nord is another

[23:22]  Surreal Numbers: look slike microsoft bought vivaty in april 2010

[23:22]  Sakai Openlife: but also not the one i'm thinking of

[23:23]  Sakai Openlife: mm

23:23]  Sakai Openlife: I'm lost for who they are

[23:24]  Sakai Openlife: but they hit a million 'registered'

[23:24]  Sakai Openlife: about a week ago

[23:24]  Surreal Numbers: it's ok. i'll dig around and try to find out

[23:24]  Sakai Openlife: (no idea how many actually use it)

[23:24]  Sakai Openlife: joining something in FB is usually just a click

[23:25]  Sakai Openlife: so the numbers can be deceiving

[23:25]  Surreal Numbers: i'm not a fan of facebook and consequently dont use it

[23:25]  Sakai Openlife: me either but i constantly makes me think

[23:25]  Sakai Openlife: sadly I'm quite put off

[23:25]  Sakai Openlife: when some company

[23:26]  Sakai Openlife: tells me to view somthing i must see it in facebook

[23:26]  Surreal Numbers: it's not that i dont recognize it's impact but i'm not in agreement with the philosophy

[23:26]  Sakai Openlife: you mean the whole your informationz belongz to uz

[23:26]  Sakai Openlife: (and we do whatever we want with it)

[23:27]  Surreal Numbers: meaning that transparency has supplanted privacy

[23:27]  Cheops Forlife: anyway this is a phenomesis and it is eating the time that people should use for VWs

[23:27]  Sakai Openlife: that part definately puzzles me

[23:27]  Sakai Openlife: as an example

[23:27]  Sakai Openlife: i saw a site

[23:27]  Sakai Openlife: that launched recently

[23:27]  Sakai Openlife: that scoured facebook

[23:27]  Sakai Openlife: for some 300,000 images

[23:27]  Sakai Openlife: of ppl

[23:27]  Sakai Openlife: and put them into their own dating site

[23:27]  Sakai Openlife: *linking together ppl

[23:27]  Sakai Openlife: without any permission from the ppl they scoured

[23:28]  Surreal Numbers: that's the tip of the iceberg. it's a data mining paradise

[23:28]  Surreal Numbers: yep

[23:28]  Sakai Openlife: if it were me and i found myself on their site

[23:28]  Sakai Openlife: I'd be pretty annoyed

[23:28]  Sakai Openlife: but you're right it's not the first or only example

[23:28]  Sakai Openlife: yet it continues

[23:28]  Sakai Openlife: and why?

[23:28]  Sakai Openlife: how can it be allowed?

[23:28]  Sakai Openlife: this is the part that i find confusing

[23:29]  Surreal Numbers: money

[23:29]  Sakai Openlife: yes not yours

[23:29]  Surreal Numbers: yep.

[23:29]  Sakai Openlife: facebook ppl simply don't mind?

[23:29]  Sakai Openlife: don't care? or do they really fel they have no choice?

[23:29]  Sakai Openlife: I mean let's not say FB is successful

[23:29]  Sakai Openlife: becaus it really is!

[23:29]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: I dont think they realize they have been put there

[23:30]  Surreal Numbers: i heard last week that fb is planning to provide images/videos/etc of members who comment positively on prodcuts on the wall to advertisers without memeber consent

[23:30]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: privacy is a concern anywhere

[23:30]  Sakai Openlife: concern but not enacted

[23:30]  Sakai Openlife: :(

[23:30]  Sakai Openlife: possibly because many countries have little or poor enforcement

[23:30]  Surreal Numbers: they feel they are allowed to do this without memeber consent since members join for free

[23:30]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: so you believe it is FB that is selling these names

[23:30]  Sakai Openlife: of privacy laws

[23:31]  Cheops Forlife: I'm sure this will be obsolete later

[23:31]  Sakai Openlife: I know here in Taiwan

[23:31]  Sakai Openlife: privacy is poor

[23:31]  Sakai Openlife: laws exist

[23:31]  Sakai Openlife: but rarely enforced

[23:31]  Cheops Forlife: but while this time what about us here alone??

[23:31]  Sakai Openlife: as an example, i recently changed mobiel provider

[23:31]  Sakai Openlife: after i did

[23:31]  Sakai Openlife: i got bombarded with texts

[23:31]  Sakai Openlife: and even stuff coming to my house

[23:31]  Sakai Openlife: really annoying

[23:31]  Surreal Numbers: yes.

[23:31]  Sakai Openlife: that my information was stolern

[23:32]  Sakai Openlife: from the provider

[23:32]  Sakai Openlife: so easily

[23:32]  Sakai Openlife: I'm a relatively public person so my private i try to keep very private

[23:33]  Sakai Openlife: well for cheops

[23:33]  Sakai Openlife: i think it will turn

[23:33]  Sakai Openlife: fb also knows

[23:33]  Sakai Openlife: they have a timer sitting around their neck

[23:33]  Surreal Numbers: what most people dont realize is that modern statistical analysis is *very* sophisticated. a lot of insights can be had from a relatively small amount of data

[23:33]  Sakai Openlife: (myspace had the same)

[23:33]  Sakai Openlife: which is why they're likely trying to turn themselves into an 'instution of the web'

[23:33]  Sakai Openlife: as quickly as possible

[23:34]  Sakai Openlife: (much like google did)

[23:34]  Sakai Openlife: otherwise they risk getting replaced easily by someone else

[23:34]  Sakai Openlife: if the buzz started around some other new thing

[23:34]  Sakai Openlife: fb could find itself bleeding users faster than they can make them

[23:35]  Sakai Openlife: but that is the nature of the net ;)

[23:35]  Surreal Numbers: yep. telecomm tech is the drug of the 21st century

[23:35]  Sakai Openlife: hehe don't you love it!

[23:35]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[23:36]  Sakai Openlife: the interwebs have sucked us all in!

[23:36]  Cheops Forlife: I think people still need 2D like that, but as Surreal said VWs have a great future

[23:37]  Sakai Openlife: for sure

[23:37]  Sakai Openlife: they'll come into their own in time

[23:37]  Sakai Openlife: they may end up even finding they take over the social networking role all together

[23:37]  Sakai Openlife: at some point

[23:37]  Sakai Openlife: assuming it all comes together right in good package

[23:38]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: Sakai when I first come to OL there were a dozen people online here at most EU times. Now there is ony three or four. The number of people are getting smaller each month.

[23:38]  Surreal Numbers: ultimately, i think that's inevitable.

[23:38]  Sakai Openlife: hard to tell

[23:38]  Sakai Openlife: it does fluctuate

[23:38]  Sakai Openlife: good weather bad weather

[23:38]  Sakai Openlife: there are definately bursts and lulls

[23:39]  Sakai Openlife: I'm not all entirely sure what tpo make of it

[23:39]  Cheops Forlife: for what I know they still come every saturday for VLE, but some don't come back because not enough people to meet

[23:39]  Sakai Openlife: but we'll do what we can to turn it around

[23:39]  Cheops Forlife: but at VLE

[23:40]  Sakai Openlife: events are key ;)

[23:40]  Sakai Openlife: ppl do like to meet others and enjoy some good music

[23:40]  Cheops Forlife: events and a permanent gourp welcoming

[23:40]  Cheops Forlife: group even

[23:41]  Sakai Openlife: we're clearly putting new focus on a bunch of areas

[23:41]  Sakai Openlife: like web

[23:41]  Sakai Openlife: virtual business

[23:41]  Sakai Openlife: networking

[23:41]  Sakai Openlife: and the marketing parts

[23:41]  Sakai Openlife: so the forumula from our end at least looks right moving forward

[23:41]  Sakai Openlife: I would say feel free

[23:41]  Sakai Openlife: to post up into that new creation section

[23:42]  Cheops Forlife: so, some more patience....

[23:42]  Sakai Openlife: of the site

[23:42]  Sakai Openlife: it seems to be fairly popular

[23:42]  Sakai Openlife: and it's a good place to let ppl know of something new they can find

[23:42]  Sakai Openlife: it will also tie in to the hub too

[23:42]  Cheops Forlife: I everyday make know people that there is a forum

[23:42]  Cheops Forlife: and they never read it

[23:43]  Sakai Openlife: forums are not really the be all and end all of communication these days

[23:43]  Sakai Openlife: which is why we'll pull the hub together

[23:43]  Sakai Openlife: many people don't like to post

[23:43]  Cheops Forlife: good

[23:44]  Sakai Openlife: and it's not uncommon that the forum is where you go when you need help

[23:44]  Sakai Openlife: or information

[23:44]  Sakai Openlife: as an example I'm sure i read something in some MS forum everyday

[23:44]  Sakai Openlife: but rarely post

[23:44]  Cheops Forlife: sure but some miss that a lot

[23:44]  Surreal Numbers: even tweets are being subsumed now by phots yfrog and twitpic have seen huge growth during the last year

[23:45]  Surreal Numbers: photos*

[23:45]  Sakai Openlife: yes the web moves fast

[23:46]  Sakai Openlife: everyone looking to turn some venture capital million into a billion

[23:47]  Sakai Openlife: unfortunately our name isn't apple

[23:47]  Sakai Openlife: so everything we do won't be published so easily

[23:47]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[23:48]  Sakai Openlife: (admittedly) it would appear sl is also hard pressed to get a mention these days

[23:48]  Sakai Openlife: but this doesn't mean our world cannot find success ㋡

[23:48]  Sakai Openlife: and we will

[23:48]  Sakai Openlife: we're not trying to have a milllion ppl

[23:49]  Sakai Openlife: but we'll continue to grow into something pretty cool

[23:49]  Cheops Forlife: same reasons! so good time for writing about what people can find in VWs, the good and deep reasons

[23:49]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: i have brought four friends here from SL and they have never stayed but the first day. When I have asked them why they never come back the #1 complaint is booring it is no fun, We have no animations or poses. Can anything be done

[23:49]  Sakai Openlife: well tipped on last week perhaps we can offer some incentives

[23:49]  Sakai Openlife: for such creators

[23:49]  Sakai Openlife: that users invite to openlife

[23:50]  Sakai Openlife: ie if you know a good creator of such things

[23:50]  Sakai Openlife: get them to email me

[23:50]  Sakai Openlife: (or contact us page)

[23:50]  Cheops Forlife: Mr Vista

[23:50]  Sakai Openlife: and we'll do something

[23:50]  Cheops Forlife: from SL

[23:50]  Sakai Openlife: help them get kicked off

[23:50]  Cheops Forlife: I told him to co,ntact you

[23:50]  Sakai Openlife: exactly we would gladly do something

[23:50]  Cheops Forlife: did he?

[23:50]  Sakai Openlife: we can certainly be much more accomodating for users thatn SL can

[23:50]  Sakai Openlife: (and creators)

[23:51]  Cheops Forlife: was last week, he told me he will come back to see the improvements

[23:51]  Sakai Openlife: I haven't heard from him

[23:51]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: I do not try to tell you your buisness, but even I as an owner do not like being alone all the time

[23:51]  Surreal Numbers: early in the vle project i contacted a lot of animators to encourage them to set up stores, etc. the key barriers were entwined 1. upload costs and 2. a reasonably sized market

[23:52]  Sakai Openlife: upload costs on 24th reduce

[23:52]  Sakai Openlife: to just 5c

[23:52]  Sakai Openlife: (that's pretty good)

[23:52]  Sakai Openlife: the market is something where we can assist

[23:52]  Sakai Openlife: with some kind of kick start

[23:52]  Sakai Openlife: for the creator to get on board

[23:52]  Sakai Openlife: in a region

[23:52]  Sakai Openlife: (assuming they're invited by a user)

[23:53]  Sakai Openlife: perhaps we can rite something up about this)

[23:53]  Sakai Openlife: ;)

[23:53]  Sakai Openlife: write

[23:53]  Cheops Forlife: yes please

[23:53]  Sakai Openlife: because we do have the virtual business things coming up soon

[23:53]  Sakai Openlife: so we're keen to help ppl get a good start

[23:53]  Sakai Openlife: pre-release of the new features

[23:54]  Cheops Forlife: good. So when we see a new one starting a shop what can we tell them to do?

[23:55]  Sakai Openlife: from our end if you have someone in mind

[23:55]  Sakai Openlife: that you would want to set up here

[23:55]  Sakai Openlife: we can put together some way of inviting them

[23:55]  Sakai Openlife: and offer them something

[23:55]  Sakai Openlife: to get started (cost reduced)

[23:55]  Sakai Openlife: or if they are quite big and have some specialized need

[23:56]  Sakai Openlife: we can work on that too

[23:56]  Sakai Openlife: ie credits reverse before the release or something

[23:56]  Sakai Openlife: (or on off)

[23:56]  Sakai Openlife: and so on

[23:57]  Cheops Forlife: ok so VIsta animation

[23:57]  Sakai Openlife: we're not an inflexible behemoth so we can pretty much accomodate anyone ㋡

[23:57]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: I will allow region owners to place small shops on my place to sell there things free of charge

[23:58]  Cheops Forlife: nice of you Iam

[23:58]  Sakai Openlife: i think the community is already making efforts and more will do the same along with us it'll all come together well

[23:59]  Sakai Openlife: for me though i need to now get back to the testing for part 5

[23:59]  Sakai Openlife: so we'll wrap up here

[23:59]  Sakai Openlife: chinese new year break finished on Tuesday

[23:59]  Sakai Openlife: so we have a lot to do now ㋡

[23:59]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: nice to hear of the progress we are making

[0:00]  Sakai Openlife: indeed I'll fix the meet time

[0:00]  Sakai Openlife: too before next week

[0:00]  Sakai Openlife: (i noticed i was still showing the old time in the toolbox)

[0:00]  Sakai Openlife: before the meet

[0:00]  Sakai Openlife: I also have another swag of items for warehouse this week

[0:00]  Sakai Openlife: so look out for them too ;)

[0:00]  Sakai Openlife: nice seeing everyone! have fun!

[0:00]  Cheops Forlife: ok, great Sakai

[0:00]  Iamtfortaurus Nider: Than you Sakai

[0:00]  Cheops Forlife: thank you

[0:01]  Cheops Forlife: same for you