Inworld 3DX meeting - 8 December 2010

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[11:27]  Sakai Openlife: hihi

[11:27]  Shai Khalifa: hiya

[11:27]  Shai Khalifa: Surreal and Freyja on their way too

[11:27]  Sakai Openlife: oh haven't seen Freyja at these times for a while

[11:27]  Shai Khalifa: she must be having a day off work

[11:27]  Shai Khalifa: how you been?

[11:28]  Sakai Openlife: alright

[11:28]  Sakai Openlife: definately very busy

[11:28]  Sakai Openlife: Both Openlife and our other projects keep me on the run

[11:28]  Shai Khalifa: Grid seems to be behaving well

[11:28]  Shai Khalifa: teleports are great

[11:28]  Sakai Openlife: it had better be!

[11:28]  Sakai Openlife: haha

[11:28]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[11:28]  Sakai Openlife: we didn't spend thousands apon thousands of hours on this for nothing!

[11:28]  Shai Khalifa: did you see on the forums we've got our first boat race this week?

[11:29]  Freyja Bailey: goodmorning

[11:29]  Shai Khalifa: hey Freyja honey

[11:29]  Sakai Openlife: hey that sounds good

[11:29]  Sakai Openlife: did they test out with a few boats at the same time first?

[11:29]  Freyja Bailey: i only see floating hair

[11:29]  Freyja Bailey: lol

[11:29]  Sakai Openlife: (I'm not sure we have)

[11:29]  Shai Khalifa: lol, may take a little while to rez in fully

[11:29]  Freyja Bailey: but i suppose there are persons under that hair :-)

[11:29]  Shai Khalifa: Pauline seems to have sorted something out

[11:29]  Sakai Openlife: I'm under my hair!

[11:29]  Shai Khalifa: smart lady that one

[11:29]  Sakai Openlife: ah very nice

[11:29]  Freyja Bailey: thats re assuring, Sakai

[11:29]  Freyja Bailey: lol

[11:30]  Sakai Openlife: G'Day Surreal

[11:30]  Shai Khalifa: my hair has a body attached or so it seems to me

[11:30]  Freyja Bailey: hi, Surreal

[11:30]  Sakai Openlife: yes if i wasn't under my hair

[11:30]  Surreal Numbers: hi there!

[11:30]  Sakai Openlife: i would be curious where i am!

[11:30]  Shai Khalifa: hey surreal

[11:30]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[11:30]  Freyja Bailey: *chuckles*

[11:30]  Sakai Openlife: and i haven't gone for the bruce willis look yet

[11:30]  Sakai Openlife: I don't really have any shortage of hair up there

[11:30]  Shai Khalifa: so if you're bald, does that mean hyou may not exist?

[11:30]  Freyja Bailey: I like the Sakai look better :-)

[11:30]  Sakai Openlife: indeed the cloak of invisibility

[11:30]  Sakai Openlife: baldness

[11:30]  Shai Khalifa: if so, by extension - Surreal's in trouble

[11:31]  Surreal Numbers: :)

[11:31]  Shai Khalifa: lol and in skates the wonderous Cheops

[11:31]  Surreal Numbers: hi cheops

[11:31]  Cheops Forlife: hello

[11:31]  Sakai Openlife: at least I'm sure in a bar women may find baldies invisible

[11:31]  Freyja Bailey: wow, Cheops...what an entre!

[11:31]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[11:31]  Sakai Openlife: yeah ice skating

[11:31]  Sakai Openlife: very cool

[11:31]  Sakai Openlife: should ditch the sand for ice!

[11:31]  Shai Khalifa: hehe, you should see how bloody amazing we all are at skating with Lexie's skating ball

[11:32]  Cheops Forlife: and sleighs!!

[11:32]  Shai Khalifa: we're all campions

[11:32]  Sakai Openlife: sweet

[11:32]  Sakai Openlife: sounds like some ppl have been getting quite creative!

[11:32]  Shai Khalifa: champions even

[11:32]  Shai Khalifa: and Surreal, VL is jawdroppingly beautiful

[11:32]  Shai Khalifa: I love the trees of light

[11:33]  Sakai Openlife: I've had most of my last 7 days managing other projects and gee

[11:33]  Sakai Openlife: so much news from you guys this week

[11:33]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[11:33]  Cheops Forlife: me too, this is magical effect, never saw that

[11:33]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[11:33]  Sakai Openlife: need pics and we can write it up

[11:33]  Surreal Numbers: ty shai. i'm going to start posting pictures of the build today starting with Pants'

[11:33]  Surreal Numbers: but but but...

[11:33]  Sakai Openlife: pictures of pants?

[11:34]  Sakai Openlife: a pants exhibition?

[11:34]  Surreal Numbers: building has just started!

[11:34]  Freyja Bailey: lol

[11:34]  Cheops Forlife: no pants art

[11:34]  Surreal Numbers: Pictures of Pants at an Exhibition :P

[11:34]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[11:34]  Cheops Forlife: iced bananas

[11:34]  Sakai Openlife: well I suppose we should kick off this some meet

[11:34]  Sakai Openlife accepted your inventory offer.

[11:34]  Surreal Numbers: you know i was half-expecting him to make something like that cheops.

[11:35]  Surreal Numbers: kk

[11:35]  Sakai Openlife: so we delivered 0.8.1

[11:35]  Sakai Openlife: which was a cool feeling indeed

[11:35]  Sakai Openlife: to finally be out of 0.8

[11:35]  Shai Khalifa: Cheops, you don't appear online on my list

[11:35]  Sakai Openlife: was worthy of a cappancino

[11:35]  Cheops Forlife: you never appear on mine Shai

[11:35]  Shai Khalifa: lol, it's good from our end too

[11:35]  Sakai Openlife: We have another update later today

[11:35]  Sakai Openlife: that will effectively cover off

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: those items in groups that say hey I'm available in the 2nd release

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: so that opens up roles

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: role perms

[11:36]  Shai Khalifa: maybe you're one of my "Loading" avatars on my Friens list - I have 2

[11:36]  Freyja Bailey: thats good news

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: role customization

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: etc

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: (like tag names, powers, descript etc)

[11:36]  Shai Khalifa: cool

[11:36]  Cheops Forlife: for me "loading avatar" is the ones having left OL acount

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: it won't allow you to assign ppl to those roles but you can 'create' delete' mod etc

[11:37]  Shai Khalifa: at least we get to start setting our groups up

[11:37]  Shai Khalifa: doing the structural stuff

[11:37]  Sakai Openlife: so although I'm not entirely sure of what everything SL does

[11:37]  Sakai Openlife: I can cover a little that i think we DO do differently

[11:37]  Sakai Openlife: with roles in Openlife someone is always assigned to a role

[11:37]  Sakai Openlife: ie it's not possible to have a role with no members

[11:37]  Sakai Openlife: if it has no members it doesn't exist

[11:38]  Sakai Openlife: so when you create a role

[11:38]  Sakai Openlife: by deafult you will be it's first member

[11:38]  Shai Khalifa: can we also delete them?

[11:38]  Sakai Openlife: which is not to worry if you are creator

[11:38]  Shai Khalifa: roles I mean

[11:38]  Sakai Openlife: it will not be your active role

[11:38]  Sakai Openlife: (you can be a member of many roles)

[11:38]  Sakai Openlife: but of course only 1 role can be active at any time

[11:39]  Sakai Openlife: if you want to delete a role

[11:39]  Sakai Openlife: that has a member

[11:39]  Sakai Openlife: you don't need to unassign them

[11:39]  Sakai Openlife: just delete the role

[11:39]  Shai Khalifa: kk

[11:39]  Sakai Openlife: and it will demote the member

[11:39]  Sakai Openlife: to everyone role

[11:39]  Freyja Bailey: will it also be possible for exemple to assign ability of flying to vertain roles on a non flying region?

[11:39]  Freyja Bailey: certain roles :-)

[11:39]  Sakai Openlife: I think the power will be there but maybe the function isn't

[11:39]  Sakai Openlife: (the power IS there)

[11:40]  Freyja Bailey: *nods*

[11:40]  Sakai Openlife: all role powers are already mapped

[11:40]  Shai Khalifa: I guess a lot of it will be trial and error to see what still has to be turned on

[11:40]  Sakai Openlife: and applicable

[11:40]  Sakai Openlife: this is probably the big difference to our previous implementation of groups

[11:40]  Sakai Openlife: where they matter from the first day this time

[11:40]  Sakai Openlife: (so no one can mess with your groups)

[11:40]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[11:41]  Sakai Openlife: this will be quite rapidly followed up with group chat later in the week

[11:41]  Sakai Openlife: and role assignment

[11:41]  Sakai Openlife: so it's basically a logical expansion of the features in a controlled manner

[11:41]  Shai Khalifa: oh cool

[11:41]  Sakai Openlife: following this you should see both invites and notices come too

[11:41]  Shai Khalifa: group chat will open up the grid community a lot

[11:42]  Sakai Openlife: towards the end of the inworld group components

[11:42]  Sakai Openlife: we'll turn our attention to some simple web group functions

[11:42]  Sakai Openlife: we have some exciting parts for the new web

[11:42]  Sakai Openlife: but we'll create some for current site all the same

[11:43]  Shai Khalifa: kk

[11:43]  Sakai Openlife: so there's not too much void in between sites

[11:43]  Cheops Forlife: was it that the mystery gift not on our side yet?

[11:43]  Sakai Openlife: yeah it is

[11:43]  Sakai Openlife: it needs a little polish

[11:43]  Cheops Forlife: hehe was right, I found it ;-))

[11:43]  Sakai Openlife: but it will release at some point not too far away

[11:43]  Shai Khalifa: ooo, do tell

[11:44]  Sakai Openlife: if you did... *you would know because the server starts talking to you

[11:44]  Shai Khalifa: I p romise I'll delete the giveaway fro the chat log

[11:44]  Sakai Openlife: (in your chat window)

[11:44]  Freyja Bailey: lol Shai

[11:44]  Shai Khalifa: talking of which, I got the message about the meeting on login, which is good

[11:44]  Cheops Forlife: oh still a secret?

[11:44]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[11:44]  Sakai Openlife: yes the mystery gift is a secret lol

[11:45]  Shai Khalifa: but you're such a good friend to me Cheops aren't you???

[11:45]  Sakai Openlife: that aside there's also another update this week

[11:45]  Sakai Openlife: that enables the new region types

[11:45]  Sakai Openlife: the testing was good we've got a little to do for it still

[11:45]  Shai Khalifa: yay, so when can we buy one

[11:45]  Cheops Forlife: I sent the new to newspapers yet! sorry!

[11:45]  Sakai Openlife: but should be done tommorrow/Friday

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: you'll probably see a bit of pump about the site

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: regarding these new region types

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: as we add them to the front page

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: etc

[11:46]  Shai Khalifa: noice

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: not so much as a promotion above existing region types

[11:46]  Shai Khalifa: Eli and I wanna buy one as soon as they release

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: just we want show there's affordable options

[11:47]  Sakai Openlife: and as an entry point to getting creative they can be an excellent start

[11:47]  Shai Khalifa: yep

[11:47]  Shai Khalifa: you don't need scripts to build

[11:47]  Sakai Openlife: so so side feedback about some items raised in the lst week

[11:47]  Sakai Openlife: yes the odd design tool behaviour

[11:47]  Sakai Openlife: with things not sticking we're on to it

[11:47]  Shai Khalifa: ah cool

[11:47]  Cheops Forlife: but see for eg when a new one come here only for experimenting scripts before to choose to stay, where can we send him or her?

[11:48]  Sakai Openlife: and it's something we'll try to correct before we hit 0.8.2

[11:48]  Sakai Openlife: well scripts work in attachments

[11:48]  Shai Khalifa: yeah, a scripting sandbox would be of great benefir

[11:48]  Sakai Openlife: so really can try them already in the sandbox

[11:48]  Shai Khalifa: benefit

[11:48]  Sakai Openlife: just attach the item

[11:48]  Shai Khalifa: oh cool

[11:49]  Sakai Openlife: we were recently debating this same thing in the office

[11:49]  Sakai Openlife: if we can afford to include attached scripts

[11:49]  Sakai Openlife: in the lite regions

[11:49]  Shai Khalifa: so does that mean if someone wears an AO onto a lite region it will still work?

[11:49]  Sakai Openlife: so it's something that might come about

[11:49]  Sakai Openlife: 'might'

[11:49]  Sakai Openlife: we're not 100% sure

[11:49]  Shai Khalifa: that's excellent

[11:49]  Sakai Openlife: but we might make that a possibility

[11:50]  Shai Khalifa: would definitely open up a lot more p ossibilities

[11:50]  Shai Khalifa: wearing huds for roleplay etc

[11:50]  Cheops Forlife: like don't stop skating too

[11:50]  Shai Khalifa: musicians

[11:50]  Sakai Openlife: so we'll see how it pans out

[11:50]  Sakai Openlife: in our testing

[11:50]  Shai Khalifa: and yes, for wearing scates, swimming fins etc

[11:51]  Shai Khalifa: would also be able to be adapted for boats with controls as a hud

[11:51]  Sakai Openlife: we're not really trying to promise the world on them

[11:51]  Shai Khalifa: and boat worn

[11:51]  Sakai Openlife: but we are trying to see where the boundary exists for them

[11:51]  Shai Khalifa: very cool

[11:51]  Sakai Openlife: other than that i think things are looking good

[11:52]  Sakai Openlife: and on target

[11:52]  Sakai Openlife: we'll likely see some script associated inclusions

[11:52]  Sakai Openlife: next week

[11:52]  Sakai Openlife: for updates

[11:52]  Sakai Openlife: any Q's?

[11:52]  Cheops Forlife: about that?

[11:53]  Sakai Openlife: (ab out anything really)

[11:53]  Sakai Openlife: hjehe

[11:53]  Freyja Bailey: brb.........must clear 1 meter snow on the porch with the snowmachine otherwise our visitors can drive in here brb

[11:53]  Shai Khalifa: when are the SSO's likely to start making an apearance?

[11:53]  Surreal Numbers: wow! lots of snow

[11:53]  Cheops Forlife: hehe here big snow too

[11:53]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[11:53]  Sakai Openlife: we expect to introduce another late this week

[11:53]  Shai Khalifa: excellent

[11:53]  Sakai Openlife: and probably about 2-3 more over the next couple weeks

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: sort of depends on how quickly they get through them

[11:54]  Shai Khalifa: I know they're with .8.2, but with into of lite regions we may begin to need them

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: being near year end

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: we have a lot going on

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: and we have a lot to wrap up before Feb

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: (chinese new year)

[11:54]  Shai Khalifa: lol, when you all go off on holidays for a week

[11:55]  Shai Khalifa: hehe

[11:55]  Sakai Openlife: yeah i don't lol

[11:55]  Sakai Openlife: but everyone else does

[11:55]  Sakai Openlife: but at the same time any client contracts usually wrap up before then

[11:55]  Shai Khalifa: you had your holiday - you can't really expect more can you??? - I mean you had a whole what? 3 days -

[11:55]  Sakai Openlife: it's ok though

[11:55]  Shai Khalifa: :)

[11:56]  Sakai Openlife: I'm quite enthused lately

[11:56]  Shai Khalifa: that's always good to hear mate

[11:56]  Cheops Forlife: my questions are about pemissions and lost work (2 different)

[11:56]  Shai Khalifa: I guess once we get Christmas out of the way we can start encouraging people to OL

[11:57]  Sakai Openlife: the not applying design work is a task for this update series

[11:57]  Sakai Openlife: mist likely someone will catch the perm stuff at the same time

[11:57]  Cheops Forlife: someone?

[11:57]  Sakai Openlife: yeah someone in the team

[11:57]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[11:57]  Sakai Openlife: anyone

[11:57]  Sakai Openlife: who happens to see it

[11:58]  Sakai Openlife: or get the task

[11:58]  Cheops Forlife: ah ok for verifying what is going one then?

[11:58]  Cheops Forlife: on*

[11:58]  Sakai Openlife: as we all see all tasks

[11:58]  Sakai Openlife: it's not uncommon that someone will pick up a task if they see it's association in the working code

[11:58]  Sakai Openlife: and just get it done

[11:59]  Sakai Openlife: *otherwise it becomes a tasked' task

[11:59]  Surreal Numbers: it's like a treasure hunt cheops. :)

[11:59]  Sakai Openlife: yeah haha

[11:59]  Sakai Openlife: 400,000 lines of code

[11:59]  Sakai Openlife: it's not uncommon you come across something

[11:59]  Cheops Forlife: hehe

[11:59]  Sakai Openlife: that you see relates to something in the work item list

[12:00]  Sakai Openlife: and of course while it's in context of your current work your mind is good to tackle it

[12:00]  Sakai Openlife: a lot of bugs get handled that way

[12:00]  Shai Khalifa: makes sense

[12:00]  Sakai Openlife: (it's faster)

[12:00]  Sakai Openlife: we just make sure we're all aware of what is on the list

[12:00]  Cheops Forlife: has it something to do with the new setting that made disapear the ghosts? I mean we never see again deleted objects coming back as before, but at the contrary they don't stay when we want they stay lol

[12:01]  Sakai Openlife: probably not

[12:01]  Cheops Forlife: ok was just an idea

[12:01]  Sakai Openlife: not to avoid the question but I'd just be making anything up at this point

[12:01]  Sakai Openlife: without getting into the code

[12:01]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[12:02]  Sakai Openlife: so... I'm going to grab a coffee!

[12:02]  Sakai Openlife: brb

[12:02]  Shai Khalifa: kk

[12:02]  Shai Khalifa: oh, Surreal, I spoke to Celtic

[12:03]  Shai Khalifa: well via my yahoo email

[12:03]  Cheops Forlife: please while this time can you rezz a distributor of valium ? as it made me mad all the week to lose my work lol

[12:03]  Shai Khalifa: awww

[12:03]  Shai Khalifa: on, one thing Eli and I worked out

[12:04]  Shai Khalifa: if you take it or parts of it into inventory, then rez the back out, they tend to stay

[12:05]  Cheops Forlife: yes or unlink and link again when changing a texture setting, but see with stairs linked with 50 steps???

[12:06]  Sakai Openlife: on that we would love to revamp more of the front page

[12:06]  Surreal Numbers: the performance will be on the normal VL scene

[12:06]  Sakai Openlife: about current happens/recent/future

[12:06]  Sakai Openlife: on the front page

[12:06]  Sakai Openlife: so not yet sure how we'll orangaise it

[12:06]  Sakai Openlife: but we'll want to get something into gear pretty soon

[12:06]  Surreal Numbers: which page gets the most hits during the week?

[12:06]  Sakai Openlife: the front page?

[12:07]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:07]  Surreal Numbers: k

[12:07]  Sakai Openlife: always the front page

[12:07]  Sakai Openlife: there's likely to be a smallish refresh to the site

[12:07]  Sakai Openlife: before the new site comes online

[12:07]  Sakai Openlife: mostly around being pretty more active

[12:07]  Sakai Openlife: etc

[12:07]  Shai Khalifa: lol, the only time I see the front page is if I log in from work, my bookmark at home is direct ot the forum

[12:07]  Sakai Openlife: yeah forums do get a good read

[12:08]  Sakai Openlife: but we think it'd be good it we write up a bit more give some more visuals

[12:08]  Sakai Openlife: etc

[12:08]  Sakai Openlife: particularly surrounding events

[12:08]  Sakai Openlife: a fair bit oges on in Openlife

[12:08]  Sakai Openlife: an it's completely invisible to the outside worrld

[12:08]  Sakai Openlife: (atm)

[12:08]  Shai Khalifa: yes - especially now as we move into vehicles, and as we get the Eureka project underway

[12:09]  Surreal Numbers: Pauline is hostiong a regatta on friday to test vehicle scripts

[12:09]  Sakai Openlife: I think & feel for VW users

[12:09]  Sakai Openlife: Openlife has a lot to offer

[12:09]  Sakai Openlife: so we just want to reveal more of that

[12:09]  Shai Khalifa: it's def looking up now again

[12:09]  Sakai Openlife: besides facebook is looking crusty again

[12:09]  Shai Khalifa: and the fact that we prize intellectual property rights highly is a HUGE plus for us

[12:10]  Sakai Openlife chuckles...

[12:10]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[12:10]  Cheops Forlife: and no lag

[12:10]  Shai Khalifa: it seems NO other grid out there is safe, except for OL

[12:10]  Sakai Openlife: I think really juest need to compare what you get

[12:10]  Sakai Openlife: against other VW's

[12:10]  Shai Khalifa: AND we have scene flip so effectively 90k of buildabiltity

[12:10]  Sakai Openlife: inc blue mars, SL Etvc

[12:10]  Freyja Bailey: back

[12:10]  Sakai Openlife: and really there's some good pluses here

[12:11]  Sakai Openlife: at a rather good rate

[12:11]  Sakai Openlife: (in fact i'd say at an exceptional rate)

[12:11]  Cheops Forlife: just we need better welcoming inworld

[12:11]  Sakai Openlife: - it's ok I'll be shameless and plug openlife to myself

[12:11]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:11]  Shai Khalifa: a lot of people still wanting to leave SL - but it comes down to having things to do here

[12:11]  Shai Khalifa: which is why we've started Eureka

[12:12]  Sakai Openlife: well i think in spite of perhaps the not 24x7 activities

[12:12]  Sakai Openlife: there are activities regularly

[12:12]  Shai Khalifa: would be good to integrate some of these things with the Weelcome region

[12:12]  Sakai Openlife: and the more we get in

[12:12]  Sakai Openlife: the more gaps can be filled

[12:12]  Sakai Openlife: welcome needs a bulldozer

[12:12]  Shai Khalifa: so people can get involved in stuff like Eureka (Grid wide treasure hunt) from the outset

[12:12]  Shai Khalifa: yeah, but I'm meaning in any new development, would be good to integrate

[12:13]  Sakai Openlife: it smacks of the year 2000 on welcome

[12:13]  Cheops Forlife: yes it should be advertised from the first arrival point

[12:13]  Shai Khalifa: oh yeah

[12:13]  Sakai Openlife: welcome to 1999 Dec 30th

[12:13]  Sakai Openlife: tommorrow we have flying cars!

[12:13]  Shai Khalifa: I vote you get Surreal to do something totally creative for Welcome

[12:13]  Cheops Forlife: yeah!!!

[12:13]  Surreal Numbers: lol

[12:13]  Surreal Numbers: pffffff

[12:14]  Sakai Openlife: if he's up for it but i think he's quite hands full juggling already

[12:14]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:14]  Shai Khalifa: he and Grims and Cheops created the most amazing Halloween, and the Christmas build looks to outdo that

[12:14]  Cheops Forlife: showing that we can use a lot of prims here

[12:14]  Sakai Openlife: for welcome the aim is always small primm

[12:14]  Sakai Openlife: because this is the first time you get in

[12:14]  Cheops Forlife: :(( lol

[12:14]  Sakai Openlife: you want a very fast small load time time

[12:14]  Sakai Openlife: neighbouring regions can have more

[12:15]  Sakai Openlife: *efficiency is key there

[12:15]  Shai Khalifa: omg, could you imagine noobs arriving at something like a cross between the halloween and the christmas regions - they'd be too busy goggling how gorgeous it is to even worry about being a female ruth

[12:15]  Sakai Openlife: remember a new user has never downloaded a single region

[12:15]  Sakai Openlife: \texture

[12:15]  Sakai Openlife: image

[12:15]  Cheops Forlife: yes but see, they don't stay there and read the tutos, they immediatly find Danaus on map for the freebies and come there where iit is full of prims!!!!

[12:15]  Sakai Openlife: or prim

[12:15]  Sakai Openlife: yeah that will change VERY sooon

[12:15]  Shai Khalifa: I agree Cheops

[12:15]  Sakai Openlife: actually

[12:15]  Shai Khalifa: I get them drop in on me and they arrived about 5 mins before

[12:15]  Sakai Openlife: there's a small update that is just waiting for the rest to catch up

[12:16]  Shai Khalifa: most are from SL so don't bother with the tutes

[12:16]  Sakai Openlife: and it will still deliver a noob

[12:16]  Sakai Openlife: but

[12:16]  Sakai Openlife: a fully customizable one

[12:16]  Sakai Openlife: without needing new item creation

[12:16]  Shai Khalifa: that's a huge step forward

[12:16]  Shai Khalifa: yay

[12:16]  Sakai Openlife: *funny it is but it wasn't to make it happen

[12:16]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:16]  Sakai Openlife: sigh...

[12:17]  Sakai Openlife: just one of those things

[12:17]  Sakai Openlife: we catch while working o other stuff

[12:17]  Cheops Forlife: should be made before to attract new people here

[12:17]  Sakai Openlife: yeah should have been one of the first things we did

[12:17]  Sakai Openlife: when we made it possible to wear clothes

[12:17]  Sakai Openlife: 3yrs ago

[12:17]  Sakai Openlife: but back then hands were pretty full just making it possible to login

[12:18]  Shai Khalifa: there should also be the facility to have freebie stores closer to welcome if not ON it

[12:18]  Shai Khalifa: lol I can remember that

[12:18]  Sakai Openlife: from the looks of next year

[12:18]  Shai Khalifa: when it was just YOU

[12:18]  Sakai Openlife: we might have a designer joining the team

[12:18]  Shai Khalifa: oh fantastic

[12:18]  Sakai Openlife: (we have quite a few contracts that call for it)

[12:18]  Sakai Openlife: so rather than the current outsourcing we want to get one in house

[12:18]  Sakai Openlife: should we do this

[12:18]  Freyja Bailey: what kind of sedigner?

[12:18]  Shai Khalifa: and all your people should have their own regions to play with, so they know what being inworld and building is like

[12:19]  Sakai Openlife: we'll point the new designer at openlife from time to time too

[12:19]  Sakai Openlife: modellers/ graphic artist

[12:19]  Shai Khalifa: cool

[12:19]  Freyja Bailey: how exciting

[12:19]  Sakai Openlife: (3DX does a few things) Openlife being the one I like the most

[12:20]  Shai Khalifa: hehe - even with all of us pushing and p ulling you around?

[12:20]  Sakai Openlife: so would be great to get a professional designer throwing a few things at Openlife

[12:20]  Shai Khalifa: def yes

[12:20]  Sakai Openlife: not trying to wipe out user efforts

[12:20]  Sakai Openlife: just add some gloss ;)

[12:21]  Sakai Openlife: we might even get a version of the site in Chinese soon

[12:21]  Sakai Openlife: *seperate site

[12:21]  Shai Khalifa: one of the great things about OL and a huge point of differentiation from other grids is the fact there is a high percentage of skilled creatives here

[12:21]  Sakai Openlife: *same world

[12:21]  Shai Khalifa: maybe your designer will learn a thing or two they don't already know

[12:21]  Sakai Openlife: no doubt

[12:21]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:22]  Sakai Openlife: it's quite a unique experience creating anything in Openlife

[12:22]  Shai Khalifa: I was talking with JOn the other day and he agrees that the 3D community are unaware of OL/Virtual worlds

[12:22]  Shai Khalifa: they are so absorbed in their creation software and own worlds they are unaware there are user creating worlds

[12:23]  Sakai Openlife: I think perhaps there's a few reasons for that really

[12:23]  Surreal Numbers: did you ask jon about my kangaroos? i need my kangaroos. (copy mod) :P

[12:23]  Sakai Openlife: 1st being that they aren't mainstream yet

[12:23]  Shai Khalifa: he said the ones he's shown are totally gobsmacked by the stuff they see created

[12:23]  Sakai Openlife: although i must admit

[12:23]  Sakai Openlife: we're quite excited by a recent midnight! lecture we all attended

[12:23]  Sakai Openlife: during the last week

[12:23]  Sakai Openlife: about silverlight adding in some of the same direct X parts

[12:24]  Shai Khalifa: and in relative terms its easier to create complexity in virtual world than most 3D software

[12:24]  Sakai Openlife: that are using for NxG

[12:24]  Sakai Openlife: *we were all here for 6 hrs in the middle of the night for an MS event in the US

[12:24]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:24]  Sakai Openlife: that was tiring but interesting

[12:25]  Shai Khalifa: lol, I've not had time to ring him, but please remind me again tomorrow Surreal and I'l call him tomorrow night

[12:25]  Shai Khalifa: 6 hours, whoa

[12:25]  Surreal Numbers: (ty shai) lecture sounds interesting.

[12:25]  Sakai Openlife: yeah as we're MS partners we get some interesting events

[12:25]  Sakai Openlife: it's been quite interesting to see them ramping up

[12:25]  Sakai Openlife: a lot behind the scenes the last year

[12:25]  Sakai Openlife: about getting ahead on the web

[12:26]  Sakai Openlife: *I think everyone would agree ms has been laggards for much of 2005~2010

[12:26]  Shai Khalifa: oh, are we ever likely to get webpage on a prim?

[12:26]  Shai Khalifa: would be great to be able to show utube vids

[12:26]  Surreal Numbers: yes. fortunately for them they have deep pockets and can either buy the brainpower or buy the tech.

[12:26]  Shai Khalifa: or to have a workable webpage inworld

[12:27]  Shai Khalifa: I'd love to see Caro's videos available to be watched by anyone who wants at VLE in non-event times

[12:27]  Shai Khalifa: they're beautiful

[12:28]  Surreal Numbers: yes and pants has made several wonderful ones as well. dont forget Yellow :)

[12:28]  Shai Khalifa: oh yeah was just thinking of those ones he did

[12:29]  Shai Khalifa: would also be good to be able to get Flash on a prim

[12:29]  Sakai Openlife: well..

[12:29]  Sakai Openlife: for NxG we've done site on prim

[12:29]  Sakai Openlife: that's not really too difficult

[12:29]  Sakai Openlife: flash is a whole other dragon

[12:29]  Sakai Openlife: and i don't think we're going to see it happen

[12:30]  Shai Khalifa: html4 is likely to see some innovative stuff too

[12:30]  Sakai Openlife: html5

[12:30]  Shai Khalifa: oh Eldo says hello to everyone

[12:30]  Shai Khalifa: sorry, yes 5, lol, I was talking to Eldo and he wrote a 4

[12:30]  Cheops Forlife: for youtube it was possible here before they made it unavailable as Mp3 I think

[12:30]  Sakai Openlife: html5 is definately some steps in an interesting directino

[12:30]  Sakai Openlife: positive

[12:31]  Sakai Openlife: but really more about making good websites that we already have

[12:31]  Sakai Openlife: than pushing into as an example 3D

[12:31]  Sakai Openlife: there's something also called webgl

[12:31]  Sakai Openlife: (like opengl)

[12:31]  Sakai Openlife: but it's poodle atm

[12:31]  Shai Khalifa: it's a hairy dog?

[12:32]  Sakai Openlife: my polite word for lots of swearing

[12:32]  Sakai Openlife: 'poodle'

[12:32]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[12:32]  Freyja Bailey: lol

[12:32]  Sakai Openlife: I think platform wars are here to stay tbh

[12:32]  Cheops Forlife: (hello back to Eldo)

[12:32]  Sakai Openlife: they've been here for the last 20yrs

[12:32]  Sakai Openlife: i don't see them disapearing

[12:32]  Shai Khalifa: nup

[12:32]  Shai Khalifa: but it's the competition that keeps innovation going

[12:33]  Sakai Openlife: for us generally it's fastest path

[12:33]  Shai Khalifa: all vying for that next big thing

[12:33]  Sakai Openlife: because we're a small team

[12:33]  Sakai Openlife: we aren't trying to spend 20yrs creating 'yet another' tech

[12:34]  Shai Khalifa: lol, let 'them' do it and you reap the benefits

[12:34]  Sakai Openlife: well more over it's about what's our fastest path

[12:34]  Shai Khalifa: oh, I also hear SL is having problems sorting it's Mesh thing out

[12:34]  Sakai Openlife: to develop a solution

[12:34]  Sakai Openlife: *if SL doesn't get their side done soon i don't think it really bothers us

[12:34]  Sakai Openlife: NxG has had model support from day 1

[12:35]  Shai Khalifa: with no CEO or senior management they're a bit directionless

[12:35]  Sakai Openlife: if it comes too late oh well

[12:35]  Shai Khalifa: and the mesh project has suffered a fair bit it seems

[12:35]  Sakai Openlife: we now know we can quite happily get the world into ohone

[12:35]  Sakai Openlife: phone too

[12:35]  Shai Khalifa: they're also still unsure as to how to cost it for uploads

[12:35]  Sakai Openlife: having successfully rendered small version of NxG onto an HTC handset

[12:36]  Shai Khalifa: cool

[12:36]  Sakai Openlife: not exactly fun typing text

[12:36]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:36]  Sakai Openlife: or moving about

[12:36]  Sakai Openlife: but possible

[12:36]  Sakai Openlife: more than anything just interesting to see

[12:36]  Sakai Openlife: no doubt phones will get faster/stronger more flexible

[12:36]  Shai Khalifa: well it's what's asked for and almost expected these days - that things end up on your phone

[12:36]  Freyja Bailey: i have an App on my iPhone where i can chat Inworld on SL with......should be cool to have such an App for OL too :-)

[12:36]  Sakai Openlife: then you guys will be sending me bug reports to my lunch hour!

[12:37]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[12:37]  Sakai Openlife: our approach i probably different for NxG

[12:37]  Shai Khalifa: we're going to put OracL into an iPhone app

[12:37]  Sakai Openlife: my understanding is a lot of SL

[12:37]  Shai Khalifa: and I'm putting Phaedran website too

[12:37]  Sakai Openlife: relies on putting a login

[12:37]  Freyja Bailey: thats good news, Shai

[12:37]  Sakai Openlife: into the world

[12:38]  Sakai Openlife: we prefer to have actual support for out opf world contact

[12:38]  Sakai Openlife: *which can be quite easily extended even into Openlife tbh

[12:38]  Sakai Openlife: if anyone happens to know an iPhone app dev

[12:38]  Sakai Openlife: we might even expose some controls

[12:38]  Sakai Openlife: for anyone that might want to make one

[12:38]  Shai Khalifa: lol, play NxG while in OL would be funny, and vice versa

[12:39]  Shai Khalifa: hehe, a virtual worlds app

[12:39]  Sakai Openlife: I was about to say

[12:39]  Sakai Openlife: what we had been toying with

[12:39]  Sakai Openlife: then i realised

[12:39]  Sakai Openlife: it woulld expose a key secret

[12:39]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:39]  Sakai Openlife: so I'll shuttup

[12:39]  Shai Khalifa: lol - too late

[12:39]  Shai Khalifa: it's out

[12:39]  Freyja Bailey: lol

[12:39]  Shai Khalifa: we heard

[12:39]  Sakai Openlife: it's not!

[12:39]  Shai Khalifa: hehe

[12:39]  Shai Khalifa: so do I edit that bit?

[12:39]  Freyja Bailey: *giggles*

[12:40]  Sakai Openlife: no i didn't mention anything really

[12:40]  Sakai Openlife: just had to press backspace on a sentence i almost said

[12:40]  Shai Khalifa: ah, but we're psychic

[12:40]  Shai Khalifa: we know what you typed

[12:40]  Sakai Openlife: but needless to say

[12:40]  Sakai Openlife: as 'we should' be thinking we are

[12:40]  Sakai Openlife: about being more cross device

[12:40]  Sakai Openlife: for the upcoming platform

[12:41]  Shai Khalifa: makes sense

[12:41]  Sakai Openlife: we still aren't dumping a dedicated client

[12:41]  Sakai Openlife: for in webpage

[12:41]  Shai Khalifa: lot of people use the phones while communting for entertainment these days

[12:41]  Sakai Openlife: but that's mostly because we can do more outside of the webpage

[12:41]  Sakai Openlife: and getting a handful of prims in a webpage really doesn't cut it for a next gen platform

[12:42]  Shai Khalifa: to be able to shop and set up your avatar on your phone though would be kinda cool

[12:42]  Shai Khalifa: or organise your inventory

[12:42]  Shai Khalifa: omg that would be so wonderful

[12:42]  Surreal Numbers: if i organized my inventory on my mobile, i'd drain the battery in 5 minutes.

[12:42]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[12:42]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[12:42]  Cheops Forlife: hahaha

[12:42]  Shai Khalifa: you need a front end loader to sort that one out Surreal

[12:42]  Sakai Openlife: cheops mobile would probably just explode

[12:42]  Sakai Openlife: or meltdown

[12:43]  Surreal Numbers: lol

[12:43]  Shai Khalifa sits on her inventory

[12:43]  Sakai Openlife: but it's been interesting nonetheles

[12:43]  Sakai Openlife: to be working in different devices

[12:43]  Shai Khalifa: it's the way things are moving

[12:44]  Surreal Numbers: what languages are used to develop an iPhone app?

[12:44]  Sakai Openlife: *for us being small often we get experience in 3rd party contracts

[12:44]  Cheops Forlife: I ever made explode the friend list phone numbers of my phones

[12:44]  Shai Khalifa: so no sense NOT to play with them

[12:44]  Surreal Numbers: geez cheops! lol

[12:44]  Sakai Openlife: which is a pretty good experience plus for our main focus

[12:44]  Sakai Openlife: well i ahve about 15mins

[12:44]  Sakai Openlife: befor ei have to run

[12:45]  Shai Khalifa: and I have to hit bed - quarter to 12

[12:45]  Sakai Openlife: so if i suddenly jump up and say i have to go

[12:45]  Shai Khalifa: work tomorrow

[12:45]  Sakai Openlife: then it's not because i don't like you

[12:45]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:45]  Freyja Bailey: and i have to go to wrok :-)

[12:45]  Sakai Openlife: (or your dirty prims)

[12:45]  Surreal Numbers: np.

[12:45]  Surreal Numbers: sleep well shai.

[12:45]  Shai Khalifa: lol - slap, cheeky bugger

[12:45]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[12:45]  Shai Khalifa: Sakai I mean

[12:45]  Sakai Openlife: hey i haven't seen anyone wash their clothes in Openlife

[12:45]  Shai Khalifa: I'll have you know this is a NEW dress

[12:46]  Shai Khalifa: and I even changed my shoes

[12:46]  Freyja Bailey: well, i do it every day Sakai...but secretly

[12:46]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[12:46]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[12:46]  Sakai Openlife: I think we're just disposable

[12:46]  Sakai Openlife: jsut a shame i can't rez new socks at home!

[12:47]  Shai Khalifa: hehe so true

[12:47]  Freyja Bailey: :-)

[12:47]  Surreal Numbers: just socks? :)

[12:47]  Sakai Openlife: lol - socks are funny

[12:47]  Sakai Openlife: always buying more of them

[12:47]  Sakai Openlife: yet somehow running out!

[12:47]  Shai Khalifa: mind you, I spend about the same amount of time making a virtual outfit that I'd spend sewing it in real life

[12:47]  Sakai Openlife: I think they secretly run away in the middle of the night

[12:47]  Freyja Bailey: ok, my friends...i have to drive to work

[12:47]  Shai Khalifa: lol, they escape you mean

[12:48]  Freyja Bailey: be well, all

[12:48]  Surreal Numbers: bye freyja drive carefully!

[12:48]  Sakai Openlife: np cya Freyja

[12:48]  Cheops Forlife: see you soon Freyja

[12:48]  Freyja Bailey: *waves*

[12:48]  Shai Khalifa: ok Freyja, stay safe in all that snow

[12:48]  Freyja Bailey: i will :-)

[12:48]  Sakai Openlife: well i think probably a good moment to wrap up

[12:48]  Shai Khalifa: yep

[12:48]  Surreal Numbers: kk thanks as awlays for the time.

[12:48]  Sakai Openlife: as always thanks for coming!

[12:48]  Cheops Forlife: thank you Sakai

[12:48]  Shai Khalifa: great to spend time again

[12:48]  Shai Khalifa: say hi tot the team from us

[12:48]  Sakai Openlife: yeah if you see something you want to share

[12:49]  Sakai Openlife: email us

[12:49]  Sakai Openlife: with some pics

[12:49]  Sakai Openlife: and info

[12:49]  Shai Khalifa: kk

[12:49]  Sakai Openlife: we'd love to share it around too

[12:49]  Grimley Graves: hey all

[12:49]  Sakai Openlife: lol hello and goodbye

[12:49]  Shai Khalifa: hey Grims, just in time to leave

[12:49]  Surreal Numbers: hi grims

[12:49]  Shai Khalifa: hehe

[12:49]  Cheops Forlife: hi Grim

[12:49]  Sakai Openlife: sorry i can't stay grims but everyone enjoy!

[12:49]  Grimley Graves: I missed it ALL?

[12:49]  Surreal Numbers: bye sakai

[12:49]  Grimley Graves: :/

[12:49]  Shai Khalifa: hehe

[12:49]  Shai Khalifa: no, not all, you got to see Sakai

[12:50]  Grimley Graves: for a milisecond

[12:50]  Shai Khalifa: lol