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[11:28]  Tinamarie Andel: Hi Freyja

[11:28]  Freyja Bailey: crash

[11:28]  Sakai Openlife: hello everybody again

[11:29]  Shai Khalifa: hiya

[11:29]  Freyja Bailey: hi, Tina

[11:29]  Tinamarie Andel: Hi Shai

[11:29]  Surreal Numbers: hi everyone :)

[11:29]  Sakai Openlife: standing on my shoulders :P

[11:29]  Freyja Bailey: hi, Amira

[11:30]  Amira Jewel: Hiya Everyone

[11:30]  Sakai Openlife: it's beena bit rushed this afternoon

[11:30]  Sakai Openlife: but I still have some notes

[11:30]  Sakai Openlife: so I'll use them for the meet instead of the pics I was hoping to get to do

[11:30]  Shai Khalifa: kk

[11:30]  Sakai Openlife: I should start by saying the event on the weekend was great

[11:30]  Avia Bonne: goodmorning/afternoon evreybody ;_)

[11:31]  Sakai Openlife: everything went really well

[11:31]  Sakai Openlife: kudos to surreal

[11:31]  Freyja Bailey: hi, Avia

[11:31]  Sakai Openlife: region perf was excellent and the logs were very healthy

[11:31]  Shai Khalifa: red ball avia

[11:31]  Avia Bonne: lol thnx ;_) so small ;_)

[11:31]  Pauline Blackswan: hello guys

[11:31]  Shai Khalifa: g'day Pauline

[11:31]  Surreal Numbers: hi avia and pauline.

[11:31]  Freyja Bailey: hi, Pailine

[11:31]  Sakai Openlife: so I'm really happy you've got some good success out of VLE

[11:31]  Surreal Numbers: :)

[11:32]  Shai Khalifa: I think Surreal's use of Scene Flip is a wonderful example of it's power

[11:32]  Sakai Openlife: The comments we've received seem to be very positive about the current stability/perf as well

[11:32]  Sakai Openlife: So I'm happy to let everyone know we're not breaking anything hehe

[11:32]  Shai Khalifa: yes, Freyja and I were just talking abou tit

[11:32]  Sakai Openlife: the large update stufff has happenned

[11:33]  Sakai Openlife: 0.8 is the base that we intend to carry to 1.0

[11:33]  Sakai Openlife: so it should only continue to improve really [11:33]  Surreal Numbers: i love scene flip. am now working on the design for our 18 December seasonal party :P

[11:33]  Sakai Openlife: as we fill in the blanks so to speak on the feature side

[11:33]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[11:33]  Freyja Bailey: i am happy groups will follow on friday...many are waiting for it

[11:33]  Sakai Openlife: I have to make a better way to understand that scene flip thing

[11:33]  Sakai Openlife: on the web

[11:33]  Sakai Openlife: I think sometimes its not easy to know how useful that is

[11:34]  Shai Khalifa: yes I'm sure you'll get a big revenue boost once we get groups back

[11:34]  Sakai Openlife: and my explanation is probably a bit hard to understand

[11:34]  Surreal Numbers: what i've been doing with visitors is giving a direct demonstration. they are *amazed*

[11:34]  Sakai Openlife smiles

[11:34]  Freyja Bailey: hi, Chan

[11:34]  Sakai Openlife: (we thought it was pretty cool when we made it)

[11:34]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[11:34]  Avia Bonne: HI Xan, welcome

[11:34]  Shai Khalifa: g'day Xan

[11:34]  Surreal Numbers: hi Xan

[11:34]  Shai Khalifa: red ball on the chair to sit

[11:34]  Sakai Openlife: when we convert it to 'live' flipping later on

[11:35]  Sakai Openlife: maybe that will impress some more

[11:35]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[11:35]  Sakai Openlife: *red ball)

[11:35]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[11:35]  Pauline Blackswan: with groups will be fixed the random (fake) permission i see on my Friend's list?

[11:35]  Shai Khalifa: g'ay Grims

[11:35]  Freyja Bailey: hi, Grim

[11:35]  Grimley Graves: hi all

[11:35]  Avia Bonne: a tiny red ball Xan ;-)

[11:35]  Surreal Numbers: hi Grim

[11:35]  Pauline Blackswan: hello Grim

[11:35]  Avia Bonne: HI Grim

[11:35]  Grimley Graves: whoa, skating

[11:35]  Sakai Openlife: probably not this Friday

[11:35]  Xan Muhindra: thanks

[11:35]  Sakai Openlife: but it's high on the list

[11:35]  Pauline Blackswan: ok

[11:35]  Sakai Openlife: we got a bit knocked out from Tuesday morn

[11:35]  Grimley Graves: hi Freyja, huggz

[11:35]  Xan Muhindra: that's more comfortable

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: when someone cut something they shouldn't have in the building

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: *the fibre lines going up and down the floors

[11:36]  Shai Khalifa: oh dear

[11:36]  Freyja Bailey: :-)

[11:36]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: got fixed this afternoon

[11:36]  Grimley Graves: ouch

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: so we lost the best part of 2 days

[11:36]  Pauline Blackswan: aww

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: *we need connectivity

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: of cours it doesn't effect the world running

[11:36]  Shai Khalifa: lol bet you didn't know what to do - other than solitaire?

[11:36]  Sakai Openlife: *it practically runs itself

[11:36]  Grimley Graves: what did i miss?

[11:36]  Freyja Bailey: but groups will be later than friday?

[11:37]  Sakai Openlife: no was going to be today

[11:37]  Sakai Openlife: but we moved it to friday

[11:37]  Freyja Bailey: ok

[11:37]  Sakai Openlife: wasn't enough time at the end of today to get it rolled out

[11:37]  Freyja Bailey: fiberkabelproblems delayed the updates of this week, Grim

[11:37]  Sakai Openlife: so there's a 'cleanup' update

[11:37]  Surreal Numbers: hi eli

[11:37]  Shai Khalifa: g'day Eli'

[11:37]  Sakai Openlife: the comes before the group update

[11:37]  Freyja Bailey: hi, Eli

[11:37]  Elieluen Yareah: hi all :)

[11:37]  Pauline Blackswan: hi Eli

[11:37]  Sakai Openlife: it just removes all the group refs

[11:37]  Grimley Graves: hi Eli

[11:37]  Sakai Openlife: and has a stab @ cleaning out any old group gunk

[11:37]  Avia Bonne: lol

[11:38]  Elieluen Yareah: don't mean to disrupt :)

[11:38]  Shai Khalifa: I'm pleased we're starting from scratch again

[11:38]  Sakai Openlife: I think it's for the best there really

[11:38]  Shai Khalifa: so no worry about defunct avatars etc

[11:38]  Sakai Openlife: ;)

[11:38]  Freyja Bailey: but the grid really feels more stable last week than ever befroe

[11:38]  Freyja Bailey: before

[11:38]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[11:38]  Sakai Openlife: *it should be too

[11:39]  Elieluen Yareah: oh nice to hear...haven't been able to get in world lately

[11:39]  Sakai Openlife: we know it's running much better than even before 0.8 now

[11:39]  Pauline Blackswan: agree

[11:39]  Shai Khalifa: I've had some odd issues with attachments when I change regions

[11:39]  Shai Khalifa: they run through the gamut of all I've attached since login

[11:39]  Grimley Graves: I still seem to be skating all over, especially after first logging on, anyone else having this?

[11:39]  Shai Khalifa: anyone else?

[11:40]  Shai Khalifa: yeah can't land on any uneven or tilted surface

[11:40]  Shai Khalifa: or walk very well still

[11:40]  Grimley Graves: I skated in here

[11:40]  Elieluen Yareah: more than before shai?

[11:40]  Sakai Openlife: yeah ignore this region

[11:40]  Shai Khalifa: you walked to me Grims

[11:40]  Sakai Openlife: it's still got some test stuff in it

[11:40]  Sakai Openlife: *physics from monnday i didn't get a chance to remove

[11:40]  Shai Khalifa: kk

[11:40]  Grimley Graves: hmm, ok

[11:41]  Grimley Graves: have there been any updates since the party on sat?

[11:41]  Sakai Openlife: it's not going to be in a release more to do with we're looking to remove some physics item

[11:41]  Freyja Bailey: no

[11:41]  Elieluen Yareah: if it hasn't already been asked...how did it go with the script engine fix?

[11:41]  Shai Khalifa: hey Syn

[11:41]  Sakai Openlife: it's going well thanks

[11:41]  Freyja Bailey: hi, Syn

[11:41]  Synclair Lavendel: Hi all

[11:41]  Sakai Openlife: you will see it soon after the group updates

[11:41]  Elieluen Yareah: ah very cool

[11:41]  Shai Khalifa: oh cool

[11:42]  Shai Khalifa: chair over here next to Grims Syn

[11:42]  Sakai Openlife: so when you see 0.8.1 updates in the forum posts

[11:42]  Sakai Openlife: these are those script fix items etc

[11:42]  Freyja Bailey: Grim wont bite

[11:42]  Freyja Bailey: i hope :-)

[11:42]  Elieluen Yareah: ah i c...cool...looking forward to it

[11:42]  Pauline Blackswan: hope so.... flights delay in my airport are now very heavy

[11:42]  Pauline Blackswan: ahah

[11:42]  Sakai Openlife: (as per the board behind me)

[11:42]  Shai Khalifa: lol he'd leave his teeth behind

[11:42]  Freyja Bailey: the small red ball, Syn

[11:42]  Surreal Numbers: hi Syn

[11:42]  Freyja Bailey: yepp

[11:42]  Synclair Lavendel: lol

[11:42]  Sakai Openlife: give me 1 min i need to grab this vmb notes stuff

[11:43]  Shai Khalifa: Pauline are you going to rent out the shops in the terminal?

[11:43]  Elieluen Yareah: airport terminal?

[11:43]  Shai Khalifa: yah you not been to Black Swan Eli?

[11:43]  Pauline Blackswan: well is something i did not considered yet being under costruction

[11:43]  Elieluen Yareah: no i don't think i have

[11:43]  Freyja Bailey: the terminal is impressive

[11:44]  Shai Khalifa: oop, Pauline's typing anim is stuck it seems

[11:44]  Elieluen Yareah unsticks pauline

[11:44]  Shai Khalifa: hhe

[11:44]  Pauline Blackswan: yes sometime still to type but not doing that really

[11:44]  Elieluen Yareah: ok so who has a joke while we wait?

[11:45]  Sakai Openlife: airport :)_

[11:45]  Sakai Openlife: I like logging in to openlife in the terminals

[11:45]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[11:45]  Sakai Openlife: I always get interesting looks

[11:45]  Shai Khalifa: lol - well here was this one time at band camp ....

[11:45]  Elieluen Yareah: rofl

[11:45]  Sakai Openlife: got my notes

[11:45]  Sakai Openlife: spo

[11:45]  Sakai Openlife: so

[11:45]  Sakai Openlife: what we are hoping to

[11:45]  Sakai Openlife: acheive with our idea for VMB's

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: is a useful framework and toolset

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: for doing virtual business

[11:46]  Elieluen Yareah: forgive my noobness...vmb =?

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: that can be rewarding

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: Virtual Micro Business

[11:46]  Elieluen Yareah: ah

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: *was the tag we put on it

[11:46]  Elieluen Yareah: nice

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: which brings in the question of course

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: can you cash out

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: / buy back

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: etc

[11:46]  Sakai Openlife: yes that's the idea

[11:47]  Sakai Openlife: we had to think about it a bit

[11:47]  Shai Khalifa: good, will be good to see that puppy settled down

[11:47]  Sakai Openlife: and we've already met bean counters and legal in the past

[11:47]  Sakai Openlife: about all this

[11:47]  Grimley Graves: that'll be huge

[11:47]  Elieluen Yareah: an interesting question i hear...legal-wise

[11:47]  Sakai Openlife: so we used a lot of that info we already had

[11:47]  Sakai Openlife: doing for everyone and anyone

[11:47]  Sakai Openlife: is still not an option

[11:47]  Sakai Openlife: too much admin, legalese

[11:47]  Sakai Openlife: and the rest

[11:47]  Shai Khalifa: via registered VMB though is a good way to go

[11:48]  Sakai Openlife: that would almost take it to the point that we're paying to give you money

[11:48]  Sakai Openlife: *that would be cool, but unworkable

[11:48]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[11:48]  Elieluen Yareah: you pay us?

[11:48]  Sakai Openlife: so we also started to think

[11:48]  Avia Bonne: but what about virwox, cant we bring them in here? to exhcnge money?

[11:48]  Sakai Openlife: what could we do to to make it better too

[11:48]  Sakai Openlife: ie what things would be useful as a vmb

[11:49]  Sakai Openlife: definately reporting is a handy tool

[11:49]  Sakai Openlife: but also getting easy access to users

[11:49]  Sakai Openlife: so we came up with a couple things we thought we package together

[11:49]  Avia Bonne: how?

[11:49]  Sakai Openlife: The idea would be that you would enroll as a vmb

[11:50]  Sakai Openlife: And we would grind away and produce a few things to help

[11:50]  Sakai Openlife: such as an online store

[11:50]  Elieluen Yareah: ooooooo

[11:50]  Sakai Openlife: *via the in world portal

[11:50]  Avia Bonne: on the web?

[11:50]  Sakai Openlife: and via the site

[11:50]  Sakai Openlife: so you could just buy from anywhere

[11:50]  Elieluen Yareah: v exciting v v exciting

[11:50]  Sakai Openlife: for items you put in the store

[11:50]  Amira Jewel: cool like xstreet?

[11:50]  Sakai Openlife: we would put a small restriction on this

[11:50]  Sakai Openlife: that there needs to be some presence somewhere

[11:51]  Sakai Openlife: *ie we don't mind what size your land is

[11:51]  Sakai Openlife: but a presence is important

[11:51]  Elieluen Yareah: you have to own it or can you just rent it?

[11:51]  Tinamarie Andel: thats only fair

[11:51]  Sakai Openlife: rent own something

[11:51]  Shai Khalifa: makes sense

[11:51]  Sakai Openlife: a bit of land that has your avatars name on it

[11:51]  Sakai Openlife: something the person that is buying can go to

[11:51]  Sakai Openlife: and harrass you for more goodies

[11:51]  Elieluen Yareah: ah k

[11:51]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[11:52]  Elieluen Yareah: makes good business sense actually

[11:52]  Sakai Openlife: of course I'm not saying they have to go anywhere

[11:52]  Tinamarie Andel: grim forgot to take his meds today

[11:52]  Sakai Openlife: they can buy it all via the store

[11:52]  Sakai Openlife: but a presence makes sense

[11:52]  Grimley Graves: doh

[11:52]  Shai Khalifa: lol it's the maggots having a party

[11:52]  Grimley Graves: I'm a bit twitchy today

[11:52]  Sakai Openlife: perhaps call it some peace of mind foruser

[11:52]  Elieluen Yareah: an idea that would be super-amazing would be if you could control your in-world store's stock from the website too

[11:53]  Surreal Numbers: (was wondering what kind of coffee you drink grim)

[11:53]  Sakai Openlife: The second part of that is we would give your enrolled VMB a profile

[11:53]  Sakai Openlife: that you could update

[11:53]  Sakai Openlife: and the like

[11:53]  Sakai Openlife: handy for keeping your customers in the lopp

[11:53]  Sakai Openlife: loop

[11:53]  Sakai Openlife: *like a page just for your VMB

[11:53]  Elieluen Yareah: sounds awesome

[11:53]  Tinamarie Andel: oh nice

[11:53]  Pauline Blackswan: i like to show my creation in the WYSWYG way, so would be possible buy in the shop using a website link?

[11:53]  Sakai Openlife: 3rd part of this

[11:53]  Sakai Openlife: is some useful reports

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: we'll put together some reporting

[11:54]  Elieluen Yareah: sales reports?

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: so you can drill down into your sales

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: and see what

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: who

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: how many

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: average $

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: etc etc

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: and trend it

[11:54]  Elieluen Yareah: ah cool....yeh i've wanted to be able to see what people have bought for ages

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: use pretty graphs and all that stuff

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: because what we felt

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: is that aside from the potential to make some real $

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: there's a lot of fun in it too

[11:54]  Sakai Openlife: and for many people

[11:55]  Elieluen Yareah: yah...i'm still a bit unclear on the cash out thing though

[11:55]  Sakai Openlife: it's just as much fun doing it if you have the tools at your disposal

[11:55]  Sakai Openlife: as the getting money bit

[11:55]  Sakai Openlife: and of course the last part of it

[11:55]  Sakai Openlife: is buy back of credits

[11:55]  Sakai Openlife: *we buy from you

[11:55]  Elieluen Yareah: ah

[11:56]  Sakai Openlife: so as you sell and accumulate credits as long as your enrolled and in good standing we would buy back

[11:56]  Sakai Openlife: credits on a monthly basis to begin with

[11:56]  Sakai Openlife: *with some minimum level

[11:56]  Shai Khalifa: fair enough

[11:56]  Elieluen Yareah: and max level?

[11:56]  Sakai Openlife: it could possibly be more frequently that monthly but it's easier for us to start there

[11:56]  Shai Khalifa: delusions of megalomania there Eli?

[11:56]  Elieluen Yareah: rofl shai

[11:56]  Sakai Openlife: and as it get's busier we can dedicate some more time

[11:57]  Sakai Openlife: we didn't see many limitation

[11:57]  Sakai Openlife: with the bean counters over $ limit

[11:57]  Shai Khalifa: will it still be a manual process for you or will you automate?

[11:57]  Sakai Openlife: other than if we're making payments at a sizable amount

[11:57]  Sakai Openlife: we need to do a bit more paper between us

[11:57]  Elieluen Yareah: will you charge to enroll as vmb?

[11:57]  Elieluen Yareah: or will there be a small transaction fee or something?

[11:57]  Sakai Openlife: from the looks of it, we will likely have to do some 12 month enrollment or something

[11:58]  Sakai Openlife: else there's just no way to cover the development cost to make all this

[11:58]  Elieluen Yareah: unless you take a transaction fee

[11:58]  Elieluen Yareah: i'd personally have no problem with that

[11:58]  Sakai Openlife: from our initial thoughts it wouldn't really be fair to use region development dev $

[11:58]  Sakai Openlife: for a VMB system

[11:58]  Shai Khalifa: true

[11:59]  Sakai Openlife: we would like to add the possibility of premium things

[11:59]  Shai Khalifa: maybe a priority Classifieds at reduced rate for VMBs

[11:59]  Sakai Openlife: to the store

[11:59]  Pauline Blackswan: that make sense and will avoid people (newbees) come here in search of easy money

[11:59]  Grimley Graves: transaction fee might be easier for people to accept

[11:59]  Sakai Openlife: over time

[11:59]  Grimley Graves: they already have it in handland

[11:59]  Sakai Openlife: but looks like we'll need something in the form of an enrollment fee

[11:59]  Grimley Graves: so they are used to it

[11:59]  Elieluen Yareah: i'd even accept a yearly vmb subscription fee too as long as it wasn't too much

[11:59]  Sakai Openlife: *I should note we do need 'a' payment technically too

[11:59]  Shai Khalifa: enrollment fee makes sense as it establishes a relationship with meaning

[12:00]  Sakai Openlife: to get a relationship going

[12:00]  Sakai Openlife: *it also cements your TOS for the enrollment if you pay

[12:00]  Sakai Openlife: so there's a little legalese behind that

[12:00]  Sakai Openlife: at the same time

[12:00]  Elieluen Yareah: and also gives you a budget to creeate the system

[12:00]  Sakai Openlife: yeah create & continually improve etc

[12:01]  Grimley Graves: I suppose thats whats behind the 10 dollar monthly fee in handland

[12:01]  Sakai Openlife: without it would be hard to turn to rocks into something

[12:01]  Shai Khalifa: so you really need the upfront fee plus some way of getting a continual revenue feed

[12:01]  Sakai Openlife: we think it will be cheap

[12:01]  Elieluen Yareah: or the water into wine

[12:01]  Sakai Openlife: something in the vicinity of < $5

[12:01]  Sakai Openlife: a month

[12:01]  Elieluen Yareah: yeh that's acceptable for my budget

[12:01]  Shai Khalifa: likewise

[12:01]  Elieluen Yareah: you could also have graded business sizes

[12:02]  Sakai Openlife: we're not trying to kill anything from starting just give it the hand it needs to get started

[12:02]  Sakai Openlife: and I think if we put together this package for VMB's

[12:02]  Sakai Openlife: it give you a good start too

[12:02]  Elieluen Yareah: yeh well i think a system like that would be well worth it

[12:02]  Shai Khalifa: a controled business sector is far more preferable than the chaos that's SL

[12:02]  Shai Khalifa: with no controls or protections

[12:02]  Sakai Openlife: *perhaps not controlled

[12:02]  Sakai Openlife: just a framework really

[12:03]  Sakai Openlife: we're not the apple store deciding who can sell what etc

[12:03]  Elieluen Yareah: yah and perhaps an ebay-like 'trusted seller' thing

[12:03]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[12:03]  Grimley Graves: agreed, hopefully it will allow useful commerce without the chaos

[12:03]  Elieluen Yareah: rofl

[12:03]  Sakai Openlife: but we do like the idea of being able to implement reputation and the like

[12:03]  Shai Khalifa: by controls I mean as much protections expecially against content theft and resell

[12:03]  Sakai Openlife: give more 'presence' to the seller

[12:03]  Sakai Openlife: which i think is important

[12:03]  Sakai Openlife: and also for the buyer to see presence

[12:04]  Shai Khalifa: so you going down the kudos track?

[12:04]  Elieluen Yareah: hehehe

[12:04]  Elieluen Yareah: i think it would be fair to charge more to people who list more

[12:04]  Sakai Openlife: just things like allowing comment a thumbs up etc

[12:04]  Elieluen Yareah: so the bigger the store the more you pay

[12:04]  Elieluen Yareah: just like in the vw

[12:05]  Shai Khalifa: lol if he charged by the prim Eli you'd be broke

[12:05]  Elieluen Yareah: rofl

[12:05]  Sakai Openlife: I don't think it's impossible that we can re-evaluate it

[12:05]  Sakai Openlife: down the track

[12:05]  Elieluen Yareah: no per item listing on the site store

[12:05]  Sakai Openlife: we always seem to like revisiting things

[12:05]  Sakai Openlife: but to kick it off I don't think we'll be implementing any restrictions like that etc

[12:06]  Shai Khalifa: so when is it likely to start cming our way?

[12:06]  Elieluen Yareah: tomorrow i heard

[12:06]  Sakai Openlife: so if anyone likes the idea we're thinking to do please say now

[12:06]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[12:06]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:06]  Sakai Openlife: or if you have some ideas for it

[12:06]  Sakai Openlife: now is also the time

[12:06]  Elieluen Yareah: well you have my vote

[12:06]  Shai Khalifa: haven't heard any dissentions

[12:06]  Elieluen Yareah: and the votes of all my alts

[12:06]  Grimley Graves: I like it, it seems controlled enough

[12:06]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[12:06]  Pauline Blackswan: i agree

[12:06]  Avia Bonne: I agree 2

[12:07]  Sakai Openlife: this is a good start then

[12:07]  Sakai Openlife: well we'll get into the design for it pretty soon

[12:07]  Elieluen Yareah: yet another industry leading idea i think

[12:07]  Sakai Openlife: and run the concept through through our accountant

[12:07]  Sakai Openlife: we are hoping to release the new site around january

[12:07]  Shai Khalifa: lol, like prune juice?

[12:07]  Elieluen Yareah: rofl

[12:07]  Sakai Openlife: so sometime around the same we would be hoping to see some of thisVMB too

[12:08]  Shai Khalifa: cool

[12:08]  Sakai Openlife: so that it can all be integrated together

[12:08]  Shai Khalifa: that means we've got a few months to gear up for it as creators

[12:08]  Sakai Openlife: we already have done some new work on TP from web

[12:08]  Shai Khalifa: Grims, poke the ice queen for us

[12:08]  Sakai Openlife: so we'll include that with the presence idea

[12:08]  Sakai Openlife: it's not quite as clean as the LL method

[12:09]  Elieluen Yareah: well i'm just going to make 24 different colours of spheres...i'm sure i'll be rich in no time

[12:09]  Sakai Openlife: but it works for anyone without making changes to your windows/mac etc

[12:09]  Grimley Graves: *poke*

[12:09]  Sakai Openlife: what we've got so far allows you to click a button on the page

[12:09]  Sakai Openlife: and a TP is offered

[12:09]  Sakai Openlife: in world

[12:09]  Avia Bonne: cool

[12:09]  Pauline Blackswan: nice

[12:09]  Shai Khalifa: that's how it works for SL

[12:09]  Avia Bonne: one for the meeting too I hope?

[12:10]  Elieluen Yareah: oh very cool...will it launch the viewer if it isn't already open?

[12:10]  Shai Khalifa: or did last time I used it last week

[12:10]  Sakai Openlife: well sort of

[12:10]  Sakai Openlife: SL uses a link

[12:10]  Sakai Openlife: that is recognised

[12:10]  Sakai Openlife: both inside the viewer and by your OS

[12:10]  Sakai Openlife: we're not going to be so invasive

[12:10]  Elieluen Yareah: ah

[12:10]  Sakai Openlife: with your OS

[12:10]  Elieluen Yareah: it is very handy though

[12:10]  Sakai Openlife: so instead we get the web to tell the region to send you a TP

[12:10]  Shai Khalifa: sounds nice and unmessy

[12:11]  Sakai Openlife: hehe feels unmessy

[12:11]  Elieluen Yareah: see i'd liek to be able to put a link on my own website to different places inworld

[12:11]  Sakai Openlife: was messy to work it out

[12:11]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:11]  Sakai Openlife: but that feeds back to the presence idea too

[12:11]  Synclair Lavendel: So you would need your viewer open, then?

[12:11]  Shai Khalifa: lol now what's the fun for you boys if you don't have a knotty problem?

[12:11]  Sakai Openlife: that your VMB has some presence somewhere

[12:11]  Sakai Openlife: and also a good way for you to upsell in world

[12:12]  Elieluen Yareah: but even to non-vmb related things

[12:12]  Shai Khalifa: I'd like to be able to give people the ability to link fro OracL too, will that be possible?

[12:12]  Elieluen Yareah: yah

[12:12]  Elieluen Yareah: that's what i want too

[12:12]  Shai Khalifa: so they can promote their regions and/or their products

[12:13]  Elieluen Yareah: and newspapers can give link to a location to see this or that in world

[12:14]  Grimley Graves: newspapers?

[12:15]  Shai Khalifa: you mean the virtual world media?

[12:15]  Elieluen Yareah: yeh like newsletters or you know fan sites who do write-ups of different places in world

[12:15]  Grimley Graves: ah

[12:15]  Sakai Openlife: the links aren't that sl style link

[12:15]  Shai Khalifa: ah like Metaverse Journal

[12:15]  Grimley Graves: well, link them to the store page on the site and they can take it from there

[12:15]  Sakai Openlife: so they only work inside the site

[12:16]  Sakai Openlife: however

[12:16]  Sakai Openlife: it might be possible for us to set up some kind of external reference to inside

[12:16]  Shai Khalifa: would be good if you could

[12:16]  Sakai Openlife: *pass you to a page where you could login and then click to tp

[12:16]  Elieluen Yareah: hmmm perhaps users can have a non-vmb page of links on their account user-page?

[12:16]  Shai Khalifa: cos as the grid grows there'll be more related websites

[12:16]  Shai Khalifa: particularly for content creators

[12:17]  Sakai Openlife: non-vmb page?

[12:17]  Avia Bonne: maybe those webistes should be added into your profile

[12:17]  Elieluen Yareah: as in not related to your vmb store page

[12:17]  Sakai Openlife: the new site we've been putting a bit of thought into social actually

[12:17]  Elieluen Yareah: just a page that each user can list places to visit

[12:17]  Sakai Openlife: I'm pretty sure you be able to write

[12:17]  Sakai Openlife: share pics

[12:17]  Sakai Openlife: links etc

[12:17]  Elieluen Yareah: yah like that

[12:17]  Synclair Lavendel: SLURLs open up the viewer if it isn't already. I presume you would need you viewer open to use OL linkks?

[12:17]  Elieluen Yareah: a landmarks section that you can organise into groups etc

[12:17]  Sakai Openlife: comment on friends pages etc

[12:18]  Sakai Openlife: thes ar all bits we've been designing up for the site

[12:18]  Sakai Openlife: making groups in and out of world etc

[12:18]  Elieluen Yareah: yeh that sounds brilliant

[12:18]  Shai Khalifa: kewl

[12:18]  Sakai Openlife: *so they are the same

[12:19]  Sakai Openlife: the reason behind redoing the site stuff

[12:19]  Sakai Openlife: is really to get tight integration with the world

[12:19]  Sakai Openlife: the things you do in here

[12:19]  Sakai Openlife: should be possible there

[12:19]  Sakai Openlife: including things like friending someone etc

[12:19]  Elieluen Yareah: yah great ethos i think

[12:19]  Sakai Openlife: i would dare say at some point even IM's could be done in the site

[12:19]  Shai Khalifa: nice

[12:19]  Elieluen Yareah: facebook meets OL

[12:19]  Elieluen Yareah: lol

[12:19]  Grimley Graves: that would be nice

[12:20]  Sakai Openlife: not like we're trying to take away from world

[12:20]  Sakai Openlife: I actually think the opposite will occur

[12:20]  Freyja Bailey: i would like to have an e mail notice when an offline message comes in

[12:20]  Sakai Openlife: that the more we bring the 2 together

[12:20]  Grimley Graves: at least be able to respond to them from the site

[12:20]  Sakai Openlife: the more activity and use you'll find the whole social world

[12:20]  Pauline Blackswan: yes would be possible receive IM notif... via e mail?

[12:20]  Sakai Openlife: sure you could chat for ages onsite but you might also want to jump in

[12:20]  Sakai Openlife: and see / do something to

[12:20]  Sakai Openlife: so it all goes together

[12:21]  Elieluen Yareah: indeed

[12:21]  Elieluen Yareah: and there are plenty of times when you can't just jump in world but you'd still like to join the conversation

[12:21]  Grimley Graves: I can access the website from work but not get inworld

[12:21]  Sakai Openlife: that Q is good * about the email

[12:21]  Sakai Openlife: if we do it

[12:21]  Grimley Graves: so being able to IM from the site would rock

[12:21]  Sakai Openlife: it can't be automatic it will need to be optin

[12:21]  Shai Khalifa: I agree Grims

[12:21]  Freyja Bailey: ok

[12:22]  Sakai Openlife: and unfortunately we can't make that until the new site

[12:22]  Elieluen Yareah: is that why llEmail doesnt work?

[12:22]  Sakai Openlife: *optin we just don't have that fine interconnect atm

[12:22]  Pauline Blackswan: ok

[12:22]  Sakai Openlife: with the presnt site

[12:22]  Sakai Openlife: yeah llEmail

[12:22]  Sakai Openlife: may possibly not work at all

[12:22]  Elieluen Yareah: i c...makes sense

[12:22]  Sakai Openlife: unless we do optin

[12:22]  Sakai Openlife: because it opens the spam jar

[12:22]  Sakai Openlife: and the last thing we want is Openlifegrid.com blacklisted

[12:22]  Elieluen Yareah: personally i wouldn't want llEmail if there was another way to communicate between objects across region borders

[12:23]  Sakai Openlife: for spam

[12:23]  Freyja Bailey: i must leave......rl is calling

[12:23]  Surreal Numbers: bye freyja. have a good day

[12:23]  Freyja Bailey: be well, all

[12:23]  Freyja Bailey: bye

[12:23]  faded jewel: hi everyone

[12:23]  Avia Bonne: ok, bye Freya

[12:23]  Elieluen Yareah: bye frejya :)

[12:23]  Grimley Graves: have a good day Freyja

[12:23]  Pauline Blackswan: bye freyia

[12:23]  Surreal Numbers: hi faded

[12:23]  faded jewel: oops

[12:23]  Grimley Graves: hi Faded

[12:23]  Sakai Openlife: talking across region borders could be done via a custom channel creation

[12:23]  Sakai Openlife: ie a key and a channel

[12:23]  Sakai Openlife: make it online etc

[12:23]  Shai Khalifa: oh, we lost Freyja

[12:23]  faded jewel: :)

[12:23]  Sakai Openlife: then put in a custom function

[12:24]  Sakai Openlife: into the lsl

[12:24]  Sakai Openlife: that sends message over the channel

[12:24]  Sakai Openlife: rather than over whatever just use simple read string

[12:24]  Sakai Openlife: etc

[12:24]  Elieluen Yareah: regions can listen to channels on neighbouring regions?

[12:24]  Sakai Openlife: *so string based

[12:24]  Sakai Openlife: not atm

[12:24]  Sakai Openlife: was just thinking out loud about a custom solution for it

[12:24]  Shai Khalifa: sounds like a good one though

[12:25]  Elieluen Yareah: ah...yeh if they could listen across border then problem solved kinda

[12:25]  Elieluen Yareah: unless the objects aren't in neighbouring sims

[12:25]  Shai Khalifa: yeah listen was my only thought

[12:25]  Sakai Openlife: but I do sort of wonder if we got to that how close we would be to NxG

[12:25]  Shai Khalifa: hiya Cheops hon

[12:25]  Surreal Numbers: hi cheops

[12:25]  Pauline Blackswan: hello Cheops

[12:25]  Sakai Openlife: at some point after 1.0 we will turn more dev attention into the next platform

[12:25]  Grimley Graves: hi Che

[12:25]  Elieluen Yareah: if we got what?

[12:25]  Shai Khalifa: woman you must have a region to fit your wardrobe in

[12:25]  Cheops Forlife: Hello sorry took the old hour instead of winter time

[12:25]  faded jewel: Hi Cheo:)

[12:26]  Sakai Openlife: but that won't be until we're around the 1.0 mark

[12:26]  Grimley Graves: ah, your daylight savings kicked in?

[12:26]  Sakai Openlife: it's still all hands on deck for progressing the present ㋡

[12:26]  Shai Khalifa: cool

[12:26]  Elieluen Yareah: and forging the future

[12:26]  Elieluen Yareah: hehehe

[12:27]  Elieluen Yareah: just to keep the alliteration going

[12:27]  Shai Khalifa: so we get this lot done on OL and then we out of beta?

[12:27]  Sakai Openlife: *otherwise we could never have gotten our 0.8's!

[12:27]  Sakai Openlife: you know I had this discussion with someone a month or 2 back

[12:27]  Sakai Openlife: what is beta

[12:27]  Sakai Openlife: it's more to say that things are evolving than anything else

[12:27]  Shai Khalifa: it's where we are atm - with some things still not working

[12:27]  Sakai Openlife: it's used to be pre-release

[12:28]  Sakai Openlife: but more and more people seem to use it

[12:28]  faded jewel: yes teething period so to speak

[12:28]  Sakai Openlife: to say everything is an ongoing work in progress

[12:28]  Shai Khalifa: but once they are we should then just be further dev

[12:28]  Elieluen Yareah: yeh but that's silly

[12:28]  Shai Khalifa: Eli what are yo doing to that poor chair?

[12:28]  Elieluen Yareah: all work is ongoing but it doesn't mean it's always in beta

[12:28]  Sakai Openlife: it's seems that about the web it's being used more and more

[12:28]  Elieluen Yareah: doing to the chair?

[12:29]  Synclair Lavendel: Alpha is the dev stage

[12:29]  Grimley Graves: I think BETA should be reserved for a closed test grid style system

[12:29]  Elieluen Yareah: beta is more like public testing stage

[12:29]  faded jewel: surely its where we have a workable system when out of beta and now working on improving that system

[12:29]  Sakai Openlife: but in anycase at some point around 1.0 we'll take the beta word off

[12:29]  Sakai Openlife: it will still evolve anyway

[12:29]  Grimley Graves: I think this being an open grid it really isn't beta

[12:29]  Xan Muhindra: things will only get beta

[12:30]  Elieluen Yareah: woot!

[12:30]  Sakai Openlife: with or without the beta word

[12:30]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:30]  Grimley Graves: but it's semantics

[12:30]  Elieluen Yareah: big big party when we lose beta

[12:30]  Grimley Graves: groan

[12:30]  faded jewel: when beta turns to better

[12:30]  Elieluen Yareah: rofl fade

[12:30]  faded jewel: :))

[12:30]  Sakai Openlife: well Surreal halloween party showed you can definately throw some big parties atm

[12:30]  Elieluen Yareah: and hopefully not to butter

[12:30]  Sakai Openlife: I'm actually curious if/when you could see some slow down in the cloud

[12:30]  Grimley Graves: sorry I missed most of it

[12:30]  Shai Khalifa: we're aiming at 50+ for Christmas

[12:31]  faded jewel: aww missed the halloween party

[12:31]  Sakai Openlife: or if you'll only hit viewer side lag

[12:31]  Sakai Openlife: *I suspect viewer tbh

[12:31]  Sakai Openlife: it doesn't like getting so many updates

[12:31]  Sakai Openlife: from so many ppl

[12:32]  Shai Khalifa: yeah I think most lag from many avatar events is viewer side

[12:32]  Elieluen Yareah: hmm perhaps if the viewer didn't work over the internet but over the telepathic super-highway

[12:32]  Sakai Openlife: it isn't like the render side of the viewer is cutting dge

[12:32]  Shai Khalifa: but the region contributes to that - build etc

[12:32]  faded jewel: es i agree with that

[12:32]  Sakai Openlife: *dating to 2001 or something

[12:32]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[12:32]  faded jewel: i have no lag at all

[12:32]  Grimley Graves: brb

[12:32]  Sakai Openlife: NxG is quite different being Direct X based

[12:32]  Sakai Openlife: it's quite zippy

[12:33]  faded jewel: NxG?

[12:33]  Elieluen Yareah: when will our brains bbecome the viewer?

[12:33]  Sakai Openlife: (next platform)

[12:33]  Shai Khalifa: I only get lagged if something out of the ordinary happens, but the number of avatars doesn't effect

[12:33]  Sakai Openlife: or if you prefer Openlife 2.0

[12:33]  Sakai Openlife: ?

[12:34]  Sakai Openlife: so if you hear that NxG which tends to come up from time to time

[12:34]  faded jewel: i work SL and OL at same time, no lag

[12:34]  Sakai Openlife: that's what it refers to

[12:34]  Elieluen Yareah: beh.....just give me an introvenous drip and a direct data link to my brain

[12:34]  Shai Khalifa: I've got the logs from meetings on NxG on OracL faded

[12:35]  faded jewel: ok thanks Shai

[12:35]  Shai Khalifa: including the audio of Sakai telling us all about it in ovice

[12:35]  Shai Khalifa: voice even

[12:35]  Sakai Openlife: so really for today's meet I just wanted to introduce our idea for the VMB with credits buyback

[12:35]  Sakai Openlife: confirm that we moved groups from today to friday

[12:35]  Shai Khalifa: oh and lite regions

[12:35]  Sakai Openlife: and that's about it

[12:35]  Sakai Openlife: I did see that post

[12:35]  Sakai Openlife: about the lite regions

[12:35]  Elieluen Yareah: oh did i miss stuff about lite regions?

[12:35]  Shai Khalifa: yeah you said you'd chuck it out tonight

[12:35]  Sakai Openlife: if we're going to do them

[12:36]  Grimley Graves: back

[12:36]  Sakai Openlife: which yeah we have sort of introduced a few times

[12:36]  Shai Khalifa: for discussion

[12:36]  Sakai Openlife: as an idea

[12:36]  faded jewel: missed lite regions

[12:36]  Elieluen Yareah: wb grim

[12:36]  Sakai Openlife: really we just need to know

[12:36]  Pauline Blackswan: i missed too lite region stuff

[12:36]  Sakai Openlife: what ppl want

[12:36]  Shai Khalifa: haven't talked about it yet

[12:36]  Sakai Openlife: and what sort of budget we're talking about is 'lite'

[12:36]  Sakai Openlife: and we'll se what we can do for it

[12:36]  Elieluen Yareah: well i just want to put water sims around my two-curent sims

[12:36]  Elieluen Yareah: no scripts just vehicles and few prims

[12:36]  Shai Khalifa: few thousand prims, cut down script engine and region tools

[12:37]  Sakai Openlife: we did talk about no script region lite

[12:37]  Sakai Openlife: before

[12:37]  Shai Khalifa: so we can sail and have other vehicles

[12:37]  Sakai Openlife: but the no script was the sticking point

[12:37]  Sakai Openlife: and then as the discussion continued

[12:37]  Shai Khalifa: yeah, cos we want to be able to travel across them

[12:37]  faded jewel: no script would really mess things up

[12:37]  Sakai Openlife: it turned into an all encompassing region

[12:37]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:37]  Shai Khalifa: that's the main thing

[12:37]  Elieluen Yareah: i don't think it's sucha sticking point really...it's intention isn't to replace proper regions

[12:38]  Sakai Openlife: basically for us to make them 'lite' ie a lower price

[12:38]  Sakai Openlife: we need them to be restricted in resources

[12:38]  Shai Khalifa: if the number of prims was say 3000 no more that would mean they wouldn't be used for renting parcels

[12:38]  faded jewel: and less prims?

[12:38]  Sakai Openlife: *the cost is the resources

[12:38]  Tinamarie Andel: Region with 15 - 20 thousand prims Light use a little less in price

[12:38]  Sakai Openlife: the prims are not a big deal

[12:38]  Sakai Openlife: but they do tend to limit the user usage

[12:38]  Shai Khalifa: but the resources to run them is

[12:38]  Sakai Openlife: hence 'lightening the load a little'

[12:39]  faded jewel: would lite regions onlybe available to region owners aor anybody?

[12:39]  Shai Khalifa: and yes, less prims means the use of the region would remain what it's meant for - buffer regions

[12:39]  Sakai Openlife: however on our end 45,000 prim vs 30,000 prim for example is well not much of any difference

[12:39]  Shai Khalifa: I'd vote for region owners only

[12:39]  faded jewel: me too

[12:39]  Shai Khalifa: because they'd really only be for buffers

[12:39]  Elieluen Yareah: ah yes another good limitation

[12:39]  Sakai Openlife: so if it were lite

[12:39]  Pauline Blackswan: agree with Shai

[12:39]  Shai Khalifa: or connectors

[12:39]  Sakai Openlife: perhaps our interpretation would be somehow limiting the user count

[12:39]  Elieluen Yareah: and maybe call them buffer regions too instead of lite regions

[12:39]  Sakai Openlife: ie no more than x users concurrent

[12:40]  Sakai Openlife: no script

[12:40]  Sakai Openlife: under 5k prim

[12:40]  Shai Khalifa: but we'd need to be able to sail on them

[12:40]  Grimley Graves: whats the possibility of a water region... no prims and scripts allowed, for watercraft and the like?

[12:40]  Shai Khalifa: so that would need scripts to be able

[12:40]  Sakai Openlife: well the moment we lump scripts in

[12:40]  Sakai Openlife: we're asking for a lot more resource

[12:40]  Elieluen Yareah: unless there was a boat sso?

[12:40]  Grimley Graves: ok

[12:40]  Grimley Graves: just a thought

[12:40]  Sakai Openlife: then if we're asking for the resource

[12:40]  Sakai Openlife: there's not a lot of difference

[12:40]  Sakai Openlife: in our end

[12:40]  Elieluen Yareah: hmmm

[12:41]  Sakai Openlife: which kind of make it hard to argue a substantially lower price

[12:41]  Elieluen Yareah: kinda defeats the purpose really if we can't operate vehicles on them

[12:41]  Shai Khalifa: the sticking point is always going to be vehicle use - boats, cars etc

[12:41]  Pauline Blackswan: ok so you think at a region for staic use only... as a decor complement?

[12:41]  faded jewel: problem is no script basicly makes region very limited and not enticing

[12:41]  Grimley Graves: the problem with light regions in SL is people found a way to abuse them

[12:41]  Sakai Openlife: *well really we'll go away and try to come up with something based on what you ask us

[12:41]  Elieluen Yareah: is there a way to limit the types of scripts?

[12:42]  Sakai Openlife: but the it should be noted the moment script comes in

[12:42]  Grimley Graves: so no prims would avoid that

[12:42]  Elieluen Yareah: and would that help?

[12:42]  Sakai Openlife: it's get's well... yes like sl easily abused

[12:42]  Shai Khalifa: yes a cutdown script engine that only has functions for vehicles?

[12:42]  faded jewel: to be ohonest lite regions in SL killed of alot of full region owners

[12:42]  Sakai Openlife: if we were to go away and create another script engine

[12:42]  Sakai Openlife: then suddenly we find our selves needing to do 2 lines of development

[12:42]  Sakai Openlife: one for lite

[12:42]  Shai Khalifa: ah kk

[12:42]  Sakai Openlife: and another for full regions

[12:42]  Elieluen Yareah: hmmm

[12:42]  Sakai Openlife: then we're really asking a lot

[12:43]  Grimley Graves: ugh, dont ask them to write another script engine, they have enough on their plates

[12:43]  Elieluen Yareah: rofl

[12:43]  faded jewel: yyes thats too much

[12:43]  Sakai Openlife: *doesn't have to be another but

[12:43]  Sakai Openlife: you know what i mean we're then developing 2 things for 1

[12:43]  Sakai Openlife: prupose

[12:43]  Grimley Graves: vehicle SSO would solve the problem

[12:43]  Shai Khalifa: at the moment, I'd be happy just to have a region between Eli and me that we can use to traverse via flying

[12:43]  Shai Khalifa: few prims and ability to terraform

[12:43]  Elieluen Yareah: right, what about sso?

[12:43]  Sakai Openlife: a vehicle sso is not a bad idea we've thought about it a few times

[12:43]  Sakai Openlife: but there's cost to makign any of these sso's

[12:43]  faded jewel: i would reccomend a limititation of prims say around 15000

[12:44]  Sakai Openlife: maybe it could be a later thing

[12:44]  Sakai Openlife: 15,000 is more than most regions here....

[12:44]  Elieluen Yareah: what kind of cost?

[12:44]  Elieluen Yareah: dev cost?

[12:44]  Shai Khalifa: far less - 15k is way too many

[12:44]  Shai Khalifa: it would get abused

[12:44]  Grimley Graves: yeah, make it 250 or so

[12:44]  Shai Khalifa: no more than 3000

[12:44]  Elieluen Yareah: well maybe 1000

[12:44]  Sakai Openlife: well last time we had this discussion

[12:44]  Grimley Graves: enough for simple landscaping and nothing more

[12:44]  Sakai Openlife: we went away and came back with...

[12:44]  Elieluen Yareah: just to put a few trees around maybe

[12:44]  Sakai Openlife: *let me find it

[12:44]  Shai Khalifa: so you can still do some development to make things aesthetically pleasing

[12:45]  Shai Khalifa: cos a buffer may not be water

[12:45]  Elieluen Yareah: true

[12:45]  faded jewel: ok 4000 , sim divided by 4 , 1000 each quarter

[12:45]  Shai Khalifa: it may be land as Eldovar would like

[12:45]  Sakai Openlife: $29.95 a month, 5k prim, no parcelling to 3rd party, no script 15 user concurrent limit

[12:45]  faded jewel: sounds good

[12:45]  Sakai Openlife: that's what we came up with the last time we looked at the lite possibility

[12:45]  Pauline Blackswan: sounds ok to me

[12:46]  Elieluen Yareah: what if you could earn the right to buy a buffer region by owning a certain amount of regions?

[12:46]  faded jewel: still concerned about no script but i dont see a way around it

[12:46]  Grimley Graves: ok, a water region with 250 prims, no scripts... and a land region with 4000 prims, no scripts?

[12:46]  Sakai Openlife: nice in theory but we don't have that flexibility to account for it atm

[12:46]  Sakai Openlife: *ie billing system web, expire tracking etec

[12:46]  Elieluen Yareah: ah k

[12:47]  Sakai Openlife: well basically anything less than that number

[12:47]  faded jewel: is there no ay to restrict number of scripts in region?

[12:47]  Sakai Openlife: we found really made little to no difference

[12:47]  Sakai Openlife: in the resource side

[12:47]  Shai Khalifa: can me and Eli order one now? - lol

[12:47]  Elieluen Yareah: so i guess if shai and i want to put water to sail between our regions then we will need to get normal regions between

[12:47]  Grimley Graves: and would the "no script" limit the avatar attached items?

[12:47]  Sakai Openlife: so water/land 100 prim 5000 prim

[12:47]  Sakai Openlife: really didn't have enough impact to change the costing

[12:48]  Sakai Openlife: *ie if we said here's $28.95 500prim or $29.95 5000prim we'd just be splitting hairs

[12:48]  Grimley Graves: true

[12:48]  Shai Khalifa: prim constraint is really for keeping use constrained

[12:48]  faded jewel: could put lite regions on an old 8086 server :) that would keep scripts down:))

[12:48]  Grimley Graves: lol

[12:48]  Sakai Openlife: hehe if it were sl maybe

[12:48]  Sakai Openlife: but we don't run the same

[12:48]  Shai Khalifa: true faded

[12:48]  Sakai Openlife: here your region lives in the cloud

[12:48]  Sakai Openlife: *sometimes everything operates in the same physical

[12:48]  Shai Khalifa: oh that's right

[12:49]  Sakai Openlife: sometimes it doesn't

[12:49]  Sakai Openlife: depends on how the cloud is feeling

[12:49]  Shai Khalifa: we change servers all the time

[12:49]  Sakai Openlife: about your region and it's load

[12:49]  Sakai Openlife: so sometimes your on one the next day you might be on another

[12:49]  Elieluen Yareah: what if all objects on the region were phantom...would that help resource load?

[12:49]  Sakai Openlife: and some of the things your region does isn't even handled by 1

[12:50]  Grimley Graves: it helps Eli

[12:50]  Shai Khalifa: actually, that raises a point. are regions not being served to any avatar still online?

[12:50]  Shai Khalifa: or are they only there if called on

[12:50]  Sakai Openlife: phantom does have an impact on your resource usage

[12:50]  Sakai Openlife: *it's a good way to keep heavy regions speedy

[12:51]  Elieluen Yareah: yah which is why most of my regions are full of phantom sculpties

[12:51]  Elieluen Yareah: lol

[12:51]  Sakai Openlife: about the are they being served

[12:51]  Sakai Openlife: well sort of they are sort of they aren't

[12:51]  Grimley Graves: not as many collision calculations

[12:51]  Sakai Openlife: the region actually behaves differently

[12:51]  Shai Khalifa: oh yeah, Eli's going to have a party so we can test out a region full of sculpties

[12:51]  Sakai Openlife: when there's no one in them

[12:51]  Sakai Openlife: and no one looking into them

[12:51]  Sakai Openlife: but not completely off

[12:51]  Sakai Openlife: because scripts would stop etc

[12:52]  Elieluen Yareah: how many regions to a server?

[12:52]  Shai Khalifa: ah of course

[12:52]  Sakai Openlife: *this is why scripts are a little funny

[12:52]  Sakai Openlife: there's not really any number

[12:52]  Sakai Openlife: per server

[12:52]  Elieluen Yareah: ah because of the loud?

[12:52]  Elieluen Yareah: cloud*

[12:52]  Sakai Openlife: we get a cloud report back

[12:52]  Sakai Openlife: that tells us loads

[12:52]  Sakai Openlife: and we can throw more at it

[12:52]  Sakai Openlife: and throw more servers into the cloud

[12:52]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[12:52]  Sakai Openlife: if it needs more power

[12:53]  Shai Khalifa: I have this mental image of raining computer bits

[12:53]  Sakai Openlife: which makes it fantastic way to run Openlife

[12:53]  Elieluen Yareah: roflmao

[12:53]  Shai Khalifa: from darkened clouds over the grid

[12:53]  Sakai Openlife: rather than 1 region = abc

[12:53]  Elieluen Yareah: i would have thought that would have helped with making buffer regions possible

[12:53]  Sakai Openlife: which is just a disgusting thing to do to the internet and the environment

[12:53]  Elieluen Yareah: because most of the time there's noone near the buffer sim

[12:54]  Sakai Openlife: so re the 'lite' region idea

[12:54]  Elieluen Yareah: sorry, still trying to come up with ways to make them possible

[12:54]  Pauline Blackswan: well... Sakai ... when you think to release lite regions?

[12:54]  Elieluen Yareah: lol

[12:54]  Sakai Openlife: perhaps I'll put the info that we came up with before

[12:54]  Sakai Openlife: into the forum again

[12:54]  Sakai Openlife: and see what comes out of the post?

[12:54]  Shai Khalifa: kk

[12:54]  Sakai Openlife: we were so close to doing this previously

[12:54]  Elieluen Yareah: yah good idea

[12:54]  Sakai Openlife: that the capability still exists

[12:55]  Elieluen Yareah: well i htink we definitely want them

[12:55]  Shai Khalifa: yah I wondered what happened to it, cos we did have a lot of discussion

[12:55]  Sakai Openlife: the stopper last time was the scripts

[12:55]  Sakai Openlife: but if needs have changed now

[12:55]  Sakai Openlife: we're ok with that

[12:55]  faded jewel: lite regions are a good idea i agree

[12:55]  Grimley Graves: it all depends on the planned usage of the region

[12:55]  Shai Khalifa: can we get one in the interrim while you develop a vehicle SSO?

[12:55]  Elieluen Yareah: oh her's another idea...what about not limiting type of scripts but number of scripts on a buffer region?

[12:56]  Sakai Openlife: 1 script can do an awful lot

[12:56]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[12:56]  faded jewel: planned usage should really be just resisdential rather than commerscial

[12:56]  Elieluen Yareah: true but surely not too much?

[12:56]  Sakai Openlife: can be quite big

[12:56]  Sakai Openlife: depending on what i make it do

[12:56]  Sakai Openlife: we don't have the same tiny script size limit

[12:56]  Sakai Openlife: like SL does per script

[12:56]  Shai Khalifa: can you limit the number of slots?

[12:56]  Elieluen Yareah: yah true

[12:56]  Grimley Graves: hi Fuene

[12:56]  Shai Khalifa: g'day Fuene

[12:56]  fuene Nishi: hello

[12:56]  faded jewel: hi fuene

[12:56]  Elieluen Yareah: that's a good idea shai

[12:56]  Surreal Numbers: hi fuene

[12:57]  Cheops Forlife: hi fuene

[12:57]  Sakai Openlife: so you can see basically the moment we open the script door

[12:57]  Sakai Openlife: seems to be when things can become quite hairy

[12:57]  Sakai Openlife: to keep the price point and lite usage etc

[12:57]  faded jewel: ok

[12:57]  Shai Khalifa: yeh I see

[12:57]  Elieluen Yareah: the slot idea seems promising though?

[12:57]  Sakai Openlife: slot? (scene flip?)

[12:57]  Shai Khalifa: no

[12:57]  Elieluen Yareah: no as in script slot

[12:58]  Shai Khalifa: script/processing slots

[12:58]  faded jewel: so reducing slots would reduce number of scripts?

[12:58]  Sakai Openlife: sort of yes/no doesn't garuantee we keep the required resource usage

[12:58]  Sakai Openlife: so would be no

[12:58]  Shai Khalifa: ah ok

[12:58]  Sakai Openlife: atm we do very little 'monitoring' of what is in the engine

[12:58]  Grimley Graves: but like he said, it only takes one script to load up a region

[12:59]  Elieluen Yareah: ah ok...would still limit it a certain amount though

[12:59]  Sakai Openlife: unless we did a lot more management of what was in there

[12:59]  Sakai Openlife: we couldn't be too much more restrictive

[12:59]  Avia Bonne: sorry guys, need to go back to RL, till next time ;_)

[12:59]  Surreal Numbers: bye avia

[12:59]  Shai Khalifa: ok Avia

[12:59]  Elieluen Yareah: cya avia

[12:59]  Sakai Openlife: nps ciao Avia

[12:59]  faded jewel: bye Avia

[12:59]  Grimley Graves: see ya Avia

[12:59]  Cheops Forlife: bye Avia

[12:59]  Shai Khalifa: I'll post the chat log to OracL as always

[12:59]  Sakai Openlife: *I only have about 15min left myself too

[13:00]  Shai Khalifa: yah, midnight here

[13:00]  Amira Jewel: bye Avia

[13:00]  Grimley Graves: I gotta run as well

[13:00]  Surreal Numbers: bye grim have a good day

[13:00]  faded jewel: would limitation on texture esolution have an impact?

[13:00]  Elieluen Yareah: well i guess in the endwe will make do with whatever is able to be done for buffer regions

[13:00]  Shai Khalifa: cya Grims

[13:00]  Sakai Openlife: so I guess what we're saying here is that $29.95 a month, 5k prim, no parcelling to 3rd party, no script 15 user concurrent limit

[13:00]  faded jewel: resolution

[13:00]  Cheops Forlife: bye Grim

[13:00]  Sakai Openlife: seemed to be the workable area

[13:00]  Pauline Blackswan: anyway ,.. even if unhappy of no use for sailing or any other activieties i like the idea to have a lite region close ,... to use as decor purposes only

[13:00]  Shai Khalifa: yep

[13:00]  Grimley Graves: have fun everyone

[13:00]  Shai Khalifa: with full region tools?

[13:01]  Elieluen Yareah: cya

[13:01]  Sakai Openlife: more than that just starts putting it up closer to regular regions

[13:01]  Sakai Openlife: which then we're talking shades of grey which i think is just confusing

[13:01]  Shai Khalifa: you off too Xan

[13:01]  Xan Muhindra: I'm off too folks - pumpkin time for me. good to meet you all

[13:01]  faded jewel: true

[13:01]  Elieluen Yareah: and you can still walk from region to region

[13:01]  Sakai Openlife: ciao

[13:01]  Surreal Numbers: bye Xan

[13:01]  Elieluen Yareah: bye xan

[13:01]  faded jewel: bye Xan

[13:01]  Sakai Openlife: so things that wouldn't be there

[13:01]  Sakai Openlife: is stuff like scene flip

[13:01]  Shai Khalifa: make sure you friend Sakai and Eli Xan

[13:01]  Sakai Openlife: scripts

[13:01]  Cheops Forlife: bye Xan

[13:01]  Xan Muhindra: yes

[13:02]  Sakai Openlife: couldn't run a big event (only 15ppl)

[13:02]  Sakai Openlife: could be used as a moderate sized non scripted store

[13:02]  Sakai Openlife: or home

[13:02]  Elieluen Yareah: well really i don't see 15 people being needed either

[13:02]  Sakai Openlife: or landscape etc

[13:02]  Shai Khalifa: or as a quiet beach or cafe hangout

[13:02]  Shai Khalifa: between busy regions

[13:02]  Xan Muhindra: cheers

[13:02]  Sakai Openlife: yeah

[13:03]  Shai Khalifa: especially if we had a sit SSO

[13:03]  Sakai Openlife: the idea really isn't to suddenly substitute all existing regions with some low flying region

[13:03]  Shai Khalifa: then we could have chairs

[13:03]  Sakai Openlife: if there were enough of them we could extend some SSO's to them

[13:03]  Elieluen Yareah: right...and that's why they shoudl be called buffer regions and not lite regions

[13:03]  Shai Khalifa: I agree Eli

[13:03]  Sakai Openlife: I don't mind them being lite

[13:03]  Sakai Openlife: or static

[13:03]  Sakai Openlife: they really are just cut down region

[13:04]  Sakai Openlife: we wouldn't limit who could own them

[13:04]  Shai Khalifa: needs to be a completely unambigous name

[13:04]  Sakai Openlife: or how many tc

[13:04]  Synclair Lavendel: "Open Space Region" sounds good

[13:04]  Elieluen Yareah: hmm i woudl have thought limiting who can buy them would help with resource usage

[13:04]  Shai Khalifa: Link region?

[13:04]  Sakai Openlife: well we didn't bean count on how many

[13:04]  faded jewel: yes me too

[13:04]  Sakai Openlife: really just what resources we needed

[13:05]  Sakai Openlife: to offer them

[13:05]  Sakai Openlife: in the same vein we can also easily convert a cut down region

[13:05]  Sakai Openlife: into a proper Private Region

[13:05]  Sakai Openlife: very easily too

[13:05]  Sakai Openlife: there's not inhibitor

[13:05]  Sakai Openlife: so it could also be a good entry point

[13:05]  Shai Khalifa: to be honest, no scripts and limited prims would not be attractive to most users other than region owners

[13:06]  Pauline Blackswan: right Sahi

[13:06]  Pauline Blackswan: shai

[13:06]  Elieluen Yareah: right sakai and shai

[13:06]  Elieluen Yareah: lol

[13:06]  Sakai Openlife: hehe so keeping with the Openlife theme of Open world for everyone

[13:06]  Sakai Openlife: we may as well extend that to the 'Open Space Region;

[13:06]  Elieluen Yareah: oooo

[13:06]  Shai Khalifa: then when Eli's making squillions of dollars in his new job, he could upgrade our buffer region to a full

[13:06]  Elieluen Yareah: could that mean what i think you mean?

[13:06]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[13:07]  Elieluen Yareah: rofl

[13:07]  faded jewel: :)

[13:07]  Sakai Openlife: so I'll put together a post for the forum

[13:07]  Elieluen Yareah: space region?

[13:07]  Sakai Openlife: realistically if the feedbac is positive

[13:07]  Elieluen Yareah: as in no ground?

[13:07]  Sakai Openlife: we could get them in store for instant deliveries some time less than a month

[13:07]  faded jewel: phantom land

[13:07]  faded jewel: lol

[13:07]  Shai Khalifa: oooooo

[13:08]  Shai Khalifa: bet there'd be a bit of a rush on them

[13:08]  Sakai Openlife: here's a little we need to do to get them in there but because we almost did them before

[13:08]  Shai Khalifa: so long as we had them located where we need them

[13:08]  Sakai Openlife: there';s not much to do

[13:08]  Shai Khalifa: little point having your buffer region on the other side of the grid

[13:08]  Sakai Openlife: as always just contact us

[13:08]  Sakai Openlife: and we will move it

[13:09]  Sakai Openlife: * the ordering system isn't pretty it just works ;)

[13:09]  faded jewel: :)

[13:09]  Elieluen Yareah: oh has there been any thoughts or mmovement on that old idea of 3d parcelling?

[13:09]  Sakai Openlife: hehe not an old idea

[13:09]  Shai Khalifa: yeah and that's a massive improvement on what it was back n the day

[13:09]  Sakai Openlife: but it won't come to the LL style viewer

[13:09]  Sakai Openlife: it's a core part of NxG though

[13:09]  Elieluen Yareah: ah i c

[13:09]  Sakai Openlife: in NxG we use can use 3d defined spaces

[13:10]  faded jewel: doesanybody use flip scene?

[13:10]  Sakai Openlife: for ambient settings

[13:10]  Sakai Openlife: and the like

[13:10]  Elieluen Yareah: awesome

[13:10]  Elieluen Yareah: and yes faded i do

[13:10]  Surreal Numbers: yes faded. it was used for the halloween party

[13:10]  Sakai Openlife: so audio stream of locking a space etc

[13:10]  faded jewel: ok

[13:10]  faded jewel: just curious

[13:10]  Shai Khalifa: as does Surreal

[13:10]  Sakai Openlife: that VLE party

[13:10]  Elieluen Yareah: yeh that's really what you need it for

[13:10]  Sakai Openlife: I'll actually put up a post party page

[13:10]  Shai Khalifa: Eli's got a great futuristic build on the flip of Thala Sur

[13:10]  Sakai Openlife: on the site bedore the end of the week

[13:10]  Sakai Openlife: *took tons of pics

[13:10]  Shai Khalifa: col

[13:10]  Shai Khalifa: cool even

[13:10]  Sakai Openlife: was quite fun so I've been cutting them up

[13:11]  Surreal Numbers: oh ty

[13:11]  Sakai Openlife: to make a nifty review

[13:11]  faded jewel: would lite regions have flip scene?

[13:11]  Sakai Openlife: no they won't

[13:11]  faded jewel: good

[13:11]  faded jewel: ty

[13:11]  Surreal Numbers: (caro made a video too. i posted the links on the forum)

[13:11]  Sakai Openlife: *we have to leave some reasons to get normal regions!

[13:11]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[13:11]  Elieluen Yareah: and with the nxg i'd like to confirm whether or not we can easily move our current builds there?

[13:11]  Shai Khalifa: Caro's really good with movies

[13:11]  Sakai Openlife: although that's a bit far away

[13:11]  Sakai Openlife: there's no confirmation on that atm

[13:11]  Pauline Blackswan: would be possible to dowgrade a normal region to a cutdown one?

[13:12]  Elieluen Yareah: i'm very much attached to my current build atm

[13:12]  Sakai Openlife: *I will need to ask

[13:12]  Elieluen Yareah: would hate to lose it just to move to nxg

[13:12]  Sakai Openlife: (about the change)

[13:12]  Sakai Openlife: about the migrating with NxG

[13:12]  Sakai Openlife: there's a few reasons i can't confirm that

[13:12]  Sakai Openlife: 1 is that NxG is not coming tommorrow

[13:12]  faded jewel: have you considered doing full regions with no flip scene at a cut down price?

[13:13]  Sakai Openlife: scene flip is provided free

[13:13]  Sakai Openlife: if we deduct free from it it will be the same price

[13:13]  faded jewel: ok

[13:13]  Cheops Forlife: lol

[13:13]  Elieluen Yareah: hehehehe

[13:13]  Sakai Openlife: only the 5 slot scene flip

[13:13]  Amira Jewel: ROFL

[13:13]  Sakai Openlife: will be a little extra

[13:13]  faded jewel: just wondering if it would reduce resource load

[13:13]  Sakai Openlife: that's why we can provide it free and very cheap for more slots

[13:14]  Sakai Openlife: because it doesn't use any additional resource when running

[13:14]  Shai Khalifa: best way to reduce resource load is in the build

[13:14]  faded jewel: ok understand

[13:14]  Elieluen Yareah: because you can only have one slot active at a time

[13:14]  Sakai Openlife: just storage, management and some code

[13:14]  Sakai Openlife: it was going to cost

[13:14]  Sakai Openlife: but

[13:14]  Sakai Openlife: we felt it's a good thing

[13:14]  Sakai Openlife: we may as well share it with everyone

[13:14]  Shai Khalifa: good move

[13:14]  faded jewel: :)

[13:15]  Elieluen Yareah: yeh and certainly is a major difference between this grid and others

[13:15]  Shai Khalifa: few people experimenting with it and it's a fantastic extra benefit

[13:15]  Sakai Openlife: maybe we could charge for it

[13:15]  Sakai Openlife: but i think you'll find

[13:15]  Sakai Openlife: there's not much we charge for really in Openlife

[13:15]  Sakai Openlife: we've tried to keep it as simple and accessable

[13:15]  Sakai Openlife: as possible

[13:15]  faded jewel: yes its a good idea just i am not using mine and was wondering if not in use am i burdening the system

[13:15]  Sakai Openlife: I'd rather that someone stayed a month longer than left over a $5 fee

[13:16]  Surreal Numbers: no burden on system faded.

[13:16]  faded jewel: ok:)

[13:16]  Sakai Openlife: and it's a BIG system ;p

[13:16]  Surreal Numbers: personally i think it it is fantastic for themed events.

[13:16]  Elieluen Yareah: agreed

[13:16]  Shai Khalifa: lol for now - of course when we hit 10,000 concurrency the system may groan a bit

[13:17]  Sakai Openlife: shouldn't unless your all standing in the same region

[13:17]  Elieluen Yareah: 10,000 concurrency?

[13:17]  Cheops Forlife: to keep it free is really attractive for new people comparing with other grids

[13:17]  Sakai Openlife: out of Openlife is a 10gbit connection

[13:17]  Shai Khalifa: lol be our 10th birthday party

[13:17]  faded jewel: think im here for good, will eventually leave SL

[13:17]  Sakai Openlife: going into an even larger pop

[13:17]  Sakai Openlife: *but our public interconnect port is 10GB just for us

[13:17]  Surreal Numbers: geez i better start planning th theme for 10th birthday :P

[13:17]  faded jewel: hehe

[13:17]  Sakai Openlife: if things get busier we just add more resources into the cloud

[13:18]  Elieluen Yareah: rofl...well you have 7 ears

[13:18]  Shai Khalifa: lol unless someone cuts the connection - hehe

[13:18]  Elieluen Yareah: years*

[13:18]  faded jewel: wow 7 ears, good listener

[13:18]  Surreal Numbers: lol

[13:18]  Elieluen Yareah: rofl

[13:18]  Sakai Openlife: we go to 2 points

[13:18]  Shai Khalifa: lol ear ear

[13:18]  Sakai Openlife: then we go into a mix of 5 networks

[13:18]  Elieluen Yareah: lol

[13:18]  Surreal Numbers: should have put 7 ears on my bat costume

[13:18]  Elieluen Yareah: lol

[13:18]  Sakai Openlife: there should never be reason for us to lose connect

[13:18]  Shai Khalifa: do they itch?

[13:19]  Sakai Openlife: actually for some users that have been here a while

[13:19]  Elieluen Yareah: imagine the cotton buds

[13:19]  Sakai Openlife: since we moved data centre

[13:19]  faded jewel: its impressive Sakai

[13:19]  Sakai Openlife: we haven't lost connectivity even once

[13:19]  Shai Khalifa: I remember when the data centre in Chicago went down

[13:19]  Sakai Openlife: *and I've only been smiling ever since we moved

[13:19]  Shai Khalifa: not too long back either - earlier this year I think

[13:19]  Shai Khalifa: hehe

[13:19]  Sakai Openlife: we made the big move in March?

[13:19]  faded jewel: :)

[13:20]  Sakai Openlife: *and gee it was big move

[13:20]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[13:20]  Shai Khalifa: did the yellow broom move too?

[13:20]  Sakai Openlife: omg i slept like never

[13:20]  Elieluen Yareah: actually i think you showed us pics of the move soon after i moved to OL...so back in feb/march last year maybe?

[13:20]  Sakai Openlife: during that move

[13:20]  faded jewel: sorr i wasnt here to help carry some stuff

[13:20]  Sakai Openlife: we were in san diego

[13:20]  Sakai Openlife: now in chicago

[13:20]  Elieluen Yareah: ah

[13:20]  Elieluen Yareah: i just remember the broom

[13:20]  Elieluen Yareah: lol

[13:20]  faded jewel: lol

[13:21]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[13:21]  Sakai Openlife: and if we get when we get to Nxg we will use pop's

[13:21]  Sakai Openlife: !

[13:21]  Shai Khalifa: cheops has it now i think

[13:21]  Surreal Numbers: the broom is propping up the server rack

[13:21]  Sakai Openlife: *we're hoping to come to a countru near you

[13:21]  Shai Khalifa: cool

[13:21]  Sakai Openlife: which means rather than one location we could be in asia, europe, us

[13:21]  Elieluen Yareah: i have a spare room if you need some space for the servers

[13:21]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[13:21]  Elieluen Yareah: hehehehe

[13:21]  Sakai Openlife: we'll likely need even less with NxG

[13:22]  Sakai Openlife: kinda funny when you get a blank paper to make something with

[13:22]  Sakai Openlife: you think of all the things you hate about your old one and take a different path

 

Discussion from this point was only about faxes and white boards and not relevant to the grid, so I’ve not included it here.