[21:49] Grimley Graves: hi Sakai

[21:49] Shai Khalifa: g'day Sakai

[21:49] savino svm: hi

[21:49] Dawny Openlife: oi :)

[21:49] Sakai Openlife: nice to see everyone

[21:49] Sakai Openlife: hey Digi

[21:49] Sakai Openlife: wow Dawny

[21:49] savino svm: ok tell now

[21:49] Sakai Openlife: lol

[21:49] Dawny Openlife: XD

[21:49] Sakai Openlife: cheeky you are!

[21:49] Sakai Openlife: haha

[21:49] Sakai Openlife: sneaking in on me

[21:49] Sakai Openlife: lol

[21:49] Dawny Openlife: :D

[21:50] Dawny Openlife got her eyes on you

[21:50] Shai Khalifa: hehe

[21:50] savino svm: everione sneaks near you

[21:50] Sakai Openlife: sorry i didn't mean to interrupt eveyone

[21:50] Sakai Openlife: feel free to continue

[21:50] Sakai Openlife: *I'll answer an IM

[21:50] Shai Khalifa: that's ok, we were just yakking

[21:50] Surreal Numbers: hi scarletti

[21:50] Scarletti Gregan: 1HI

[21:50] Maxx Qarnac: hello

[21:50] Shai Khalifa: hi Scarletti

[21:51] Scarletti Gregan: HI

[21:51] Dawny Openlife: Hiya Scarletti

[21:51] Sakai Openlife: hi! Scarletti

[21:51] Sakai Openlife: well

[21:51] Sakai Openlife: I have my fresh

[21:51] Sakai Openlife: hot coffee

[21:51] Sakai Openlife: so I can join in the Yakking too!

[21:51] Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[21:51] Shai Khalifa: and a long list?

[21:51] Surreal Numbers: hi Jardel

[21:51] Shai Khalifa: hiya Jardel

[21:51] Sakai Openlife: not so long but I brought my notes

[21:51] Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[21:52] Sakai Openlife: I'll start with...

[21:52] Sakai Openlife: web?

[21:52] Sakai Openlife: the guys finished a lot of parts for the site

[21:52] Sakai Openlife: I have quite a bag of cade

[21:52] Grimley Graves: olá Scarletti e Jardel

[21:52] Sakai Openlife: (code)

[21:52] Sakai Openlife: to look at

[21:52] Sakai Openlife: I'll try to take a look through it this weekend

[21:52] Jardel Greggan: hi Grim

[21:52] Scarletti Gregan: OLA GRIM

[21:52] Sakai Openlife: so it can be completed

[21:52] Sakai Openlife: and flip over to 3dmee.com

[21:52] Jardel Greggan: and others friend

[21:52] Scarletti Gregan: HI FRIENDS

[21:52] Sakai Openlife smiles

[21:53] Sakai Openlife: the team already startred

[21:53] Sakai Openlife: on a new friends system

[21:53] Sakai Openlife: to replace the current one

[21:53] Shai Khalifa: yay

[21:53] Grimley Graves: aspectos como google traduzem ainda está abaixo

[21:53] Sakai Openlife: and tie into the site

[21:53] Sakai Openlife: *I know this was big on Grim's list

[21:53] Grimley Graves: yeah

[21:53] Scarletti Gregan: ola

[21:53] Sakai Openlife: I don't think it will take long

[21:53] Shai Khalifa: yep

[21:53] Sakai Openlife: probably see an update next week

[21:53] Sakai Openlife: with new friends

[21:54] Scarletti Gregan: no work

[21:54] Sakai Openlife: *will still have your existing friends in it

[21:54] Sakai Openlife: but you no what i mean

[21:54] Sakai Openlife: (know)

[21:54] Sakai Openlife: lol

[21:54] Shai Khalifa: hehe

[21:54] Sakai Openlife: Special thanks to those working on the new Avatar parts for welcome

[21:54] Sakai Openlife: We'll start getting those parts into the new stores

[21:55] Sakai Openlife: if anyone's had a chance to see some of the new welcome island

[21:55] Sakai Openlife: it's starting to take up a new shape

[21:55] Grimley Graves: yes, quite the improvement :)

[21:55] Shai Khalifa: yes, we were talking about it before

[21:55] Shai Khalifa: it's coming along nicely

[21:55] Sakai Openlife: and we've decided to change a the orientation process to work 'with' the island closely

[21:55] Sakai Openlife: so originally

[21:55] Sakai Openlife: the plan was to have premade AV's

[21:55] Sakai Openlife: ready for new users

[21:55] Sakai Openlife: when they register

[21:56] Shai Khalifa: I saw you've changed it to Tutorial ?

[21:56] Sakai Openlife: but while building the island

[21:56] Sakai Openlife: I realised this might mean a lot of ppl skip past

[21:56] Sakai Openlife: or miss important parts

[21:56] Sakai Openlife: in orientatiaon

[21:56] Sakai Openlife: so instead what we'll do is provide a sort of 'blank;' avatar

[21:56] Sakai Openlife: to the new user

[21:56] Shai Khalifa: especially if they're coming from SL as they think they know it all

[21:56] Sakai Openlife: *that is modifyable from the beginning

[21:57] Sakai Openlife: but to get that custom first appearance

[21:57] Sakai Openlife: they go through the island

[21:57] Sakai Openlife: and pick up the items they want

[21:57] Sakai Openlife: from the various stores

[21:57] Shai Khalifa: that make sense

[21:57] Sakai Openlife: stores are set apart

[21:57] Sakai Openlife: from eachother

[21:57] Shai Khalifa: are you doing signs to tell them that?

[21:57] Sakai Openlife: with information points

[21:57] Sakai Openlife: for an example

[21:57] Sakai Openlife: in order to get to say a pants store

[21:57] Sakai Openlife: you need to walk past a Accounting office

[21:57] Sakai Openlife: (about credits etc)

[21:57] Sakai Openlife: that's a boring example

[21:57] Sakai Openlife: but it would mean you might stop

[21:58] Sakai Openlife: to see it

[21:58] Scarletti Gregan: translator no work

[21:58] Sakai Openlife: and read or learn

[21:58] Sakai Openlife: about credits

[21:58] Sakai Openlife: and options available to you for credits etc

[21:58] Shai Khalifa: and credits and cashout are often questions

[21:58] Sakai Openlife: so the process of your 'first time' appearance

[21:58] Sakai Openlife: can also be informative

[21:58] Shai Khalifa: so will you include Premium info there too?

[21:58] Sakai Openlife: about other aspects of 3DMee

[21:58] Sakai Openlife: yes

[21:58] Sakai Openlife: we will try to cover all the basic items

[21:58] Sakai Openlife: from land

[21:58] Sakai Openlife: credits

[21:58] Sakai Openlife: web

[21:58] Sakai Openlife: objects

[21:59] Sakai Openlife: SSO's

[21:59] Sakai Openlife: and so on

[21:59] Shai Khalifa: kk

[21:59] Sakai Openlife: so in the end you should have a bit of an idea

[21:59] Sakai Openlife: about 3DMee

[21:59] Sakai Openlife: and if you've used other things imilar

[21:59] Sakai Openlife: similar

[21:59] Sakai Openlife: you

[21:59] Sakai Openlife: 'll come out knowing there are some differences

[21:59] Sakai Openlife: and improvements unique to us

[21:59] Sakai Openlife: if you have never used a VW or similar world before

[22:00] Sakai Openlife: then this should also cover this user too

[22:00] Shai Khalifa: cool

[22:00] Sakai Openlife: (which is important as we do see a lot of users that don't come from elsewhere)

[22:00] Sakai Openlife: and are completely stumped on arrival

[22:00] Sakai Openlife: stumped = don't know what to do

[22:00] Shai Khalifa: yes, they're the hard ones and take a lot of time

[22:00] Sakai Openlife: and realistically

[22:00] Shai Khalifa: especially if English isn't so easy for them

[22:01] Sakai Openlife: as 3DMee is a world in it's own

[22:01] Sakai Openlife: it's not good for us to expect users to have come from SL

[22:01] Grimley Graves: speaking of that...

[22:01] Sakai Openlife: or to use some 'assumed knowledge' oin arrival

[22:01] Grimley Graves: Digi's translator doesn't work anymore

[22:01] Shai Khalifa: it uses Google doesn't it?

[22:01] Sakai Openlife: google?

[22:01] Grimley Graves: I think google has pulled the plug

[22:01] Sakai Openlife: yeah

[22:01] Sakai Openlife: I should assume so

[22:02] Sakai Openlife: I don't beleieve we have changed anything

[22:02] Sakai Openlife: that would effect it

[22:02] Shai Khalifa: no, it's Google

[22:02] Sakai Openlife: I did hear they would keep it around 'if' you paid them

[22:02] Grimley Graves: whats the schedule on a built in translator?

[22:02] Sakai Openlife: but I think we should accelerate our built in translator

[22:02] Sakai Openlife: to accomodate

[22:02] Sakai Openlife: it could be a key feature to assist

[22:02] Grimley Graves: agreed, we have lots of language issues here

[22:03] Sakai Openlife: hehe

[22:03] Sakai Openlife: I have language issues everyday!

[22:03] Sakai Openlife: lol

[22:03] Shai Khalifa: is there another translator we could source from - rather than Google?

[22:03] Sakai Openlife: without even being in here

[22:03] Shai Khalifa: lol I can only imagine Sakai

[22:03] Shai Khalifa: Chinese isn't easy

[22:03] Sakai Openlife: well we're actually using Microsoft Services

[22:03] Grimley Graves: I use "reverso" but have to copy and paste everything between world and the site

[22:03] Sakai Openlife: but my understanding

[22:03] Sakai Openlife: is that without an agreement

[22:03] Sakai Openlife: with MS

[22:04] Grimley Graves: slow as molassis

[22:04] Sakai Openlife: it is a limited service

[22:04] Sakai Openlife: (whereas we have an agreement)

[22:04] Sakai Openlife: (3DX)

[22:04] Shai Khalifa: lol, yeah nothing MS comes without a price tag

[22:04] Sakai Openlife: no price

[22:04] Sakai Openlife: just an agreement

[22:04] Grimley Graves: http://www.reverso.net/text_translation.aspx?lang=EN

[22:04] Sakai Openlife: you would have to use an incredible amount

[22:04] Sakai Openlife: to be paying

[22:05] Sakai Openlife: we use microsofttranslator.com

[22:05] Sakai Openlife: on the base of all pages

[22:05] Sakai Openlife: (most pages I should say)

[22:05] Grimley Graves: not sure if reverso can be used for an inworld translator or not

[22:05] Sakai Openlife: but I think the issue

[22:05] Sakai Openlife: if you were to use MS translation

[22:05] Sakai Openlife: is you need to use a key

[22:05] Sakai Openlife: to access the apu

[22:05] Sakai Openlife: api

[22:05] Sakai Openlife: and this may not be something you would want to do

[22:05] Sakai Openlife: in a readily available script

[22:06] Shai Khalifa: so it makes more sense if it's something built into the viewer

[22:06] Sakai Openlife: *The same applies for googles paid service

[22:06] Shai Khalifa: they it's only the grid that's needing the api?

[22:06] Sakai Openlife: well we build into server actually

[22:06] Sakai Openlife: so that we can hook into the chat realtime

[22:06] Sakai Openlife: and give you native results

[22:06] Sakai Openlife: (results that appear with reguilar chat/ regular IM etc)(

[22:06] Shai Khalifa: sorry, I meant viewer as in we access it via the viewer

[22:06] Sakai Openlife: to do this we will need to add a preferences section

[22:07] Sakai Openlife: to your avatar online

[22:07] Sakai Openlife: to know your preferred language

[22:07] Sakai Openlife: (that you want to see)

[22:07] Sakai Openlife: and we'll probably add some chat baed commands

[22:07] Sakai Openlife: like /translator off

[22:07] Sakai Openlife: or /translator on

[22:08] Sakai Openlife: I know the work for live translation is already done

[22:08] Sakai Openlife: we just need to hook into your profile

[22:08] Sakai Openlife: some new preferences

[22:08] Shai Khalifa: coolies

[22:08] Shai Khalifa: and profiles will be manageable via the web right?

[22:08] Sakai Openlife: right

[22:08] Sakai Openlife: so what this means

[22:08] Shai Khalifa: as well as inworld

[22:08] Sakai Openlife: the way we set it up

[22:08] Sakai Openlife: was that you would see

[22:08] Sakai Openlife: 2 lines

[22:08] Sakai Openlife: of chat

[22:08] Sakai Openlife: in your window

[22:08] Sakai Openlife: from someone

[22:08] Sakai Openlife: that spoke a foreign language

[22:08] Sakai Openlife: to your native language

[22:09] Sakai Openlife: their native text

[22:09] Sakai Openlife: followed by the translation

[22:09] Sakai Openlife: they won't see the translation

[22:09] Sakai Openlife: (or anyone else)

[22:09] Sakai Openlife: just you

[22:09] Shai Khalifa: goodoh, that way we can tell that the other person isn't an English speaker

[22:09] Sakai Openlife: (otherwise a group conversation would get messy with 6 different translations going to everyone)

[22:09] Shai Khalifa: which opens up a whole lot of questions and interaction

[22:09] Grimley Graves: yeah

[22:10] Grimley Graves: hopefully this wont bog things down

[22:10] Sakai Openlife: actually it doesn't

[22:10] Sakai Openlife: it can sometimes take a second

[22:10] Sakai Openlife: or 2

[22:10] Grimley Graves: especially at VLE concerts

[22:10] Sakai Openlife: but it won't delay

[22:10] Sakai Openlife: the original message

[22:10] Sakai Openlife: it 'add's messages into the stream

[22:10] Sakai Openlife: live

[22:10] Sakai Openlife: as they are received

[22:11] Sakai Openlife: so you could assume if MS's transaltor was busy

[22:11] Sakai Openlife: it might take longer

[22:11] Sakai Openlife: but the original message

[22:11] Sakai Openlife: is not delayed

[22:11] Sakai Openlife: (at all)

[22:11] Sakai Openlife: and the translated message

[22:11] Sakai Openlife: 'look's

[22:11] Sakai Openlife: like it came from that person

[22:11] Sakai Openlife: so it's easy to read

[22:12] Sakai Openlife: the same can apply seamlessly to IM's

[22:12] Sakai Openlife: so you're not limited to translating open chat

[22:12] Shai Khalifa: can you maybe make the translated text another colour? so as to make easy identification in a multi-person chat?

[22:12] Sakai Openlife: like i mentioned

[22:12] Sakai Openlife: the text comes from the same person

[22:12] Sakai Openlife: so say i spoke chinese

[22:13] Sakai Openlife: you would see my original chinese text ie Sakai Openlife: lalalalal

[22:13] Sakai Openlife: but then a 2nd message appears

[22:13] Shai Khalifa: ah ok

[22:13] Sakai Openlife: Sakai Openlife: English lalala

[22:13] Sakai Openlife: so you will know who said it

[22:13] Sakai Openlife: because it's the same as regular chat

[22:14] Sakai Openlife: when we used it for testing

[22:14] Sakai Openlife: tbh it worked well

[22:14] Sakai Openlife: was easy to understand

[22:14] Sakai Openlife: with my spokenj text automatically going to chinese

[22:14] Sakai Openlife: and chinese automatically coming to english

[22:14] Sakai Openlife: (was pretty cool)

[22:14] Sakai Openlife: chinese translations to english though are pretty bad

[22:14] Sakai Openlife: lol

[22:15] Sakai Openlife: but better than something i couldn't read at all

[22:15] Shai Khalifa: excellent - no excuses for the rest of the team not joining us for events then

[22:15] Grimley Graves: hopefully that wont take too long to get implemented

[22:15] Sakai Openlife: we'll see where we can fit it in

[22:15] Sakai Openlife: *I didn't recall google going offline till later in the year

[22:15] Shai Khalifa: it's getting quite important with no other translater available

[22:15] Sakai Openlife: but we can try to make plans for it

[22:16] Grimley Graves: well, the last few times I've tried Digi's translator it's thrown errors

[22:16] Sakai Openlife: that bag of web code i mentioned earlier

[22:16] Sakai Openlife: includes lite regions

[22:16] Sakai Openlife: (purchase)

[22:16] Sakai Openlife: so those that were waiting on them

[22:16] Sakai Openlife: should have them really really soon

[22:17] Sakai Openlife: *I just need to read over it all first and do a test

[22:17] Grimley Graves: how about the new hub and search?

[22:17] Sakai Openlife: same done and done

[22:17] Sakai Openlife: *it's all there i just need to read it and test it

[22:17] Sakai Openlife: search is still there

[22:17] Sakai Openlife: the only diffference will be that search from hub

[22:17] Sakai Openlife: is different

[22:17] Grimley Graves: but not accessable unless you know the secret URL

[22:17] Sakai Openlife: will take your query to:

[22:18] Sakai Openlife: http://3dmee.com/Search

[22:18] Sakai Openlife: it is accessable

[22:18] Sakai Openlife: 'if'

[22:18] Sakai Openlife: you click search

[22:18] Sakai Openlife: rather than hit enter

[22:18] Sakai Openlife: (on the old present page)

[22:18] Shai Khalifa: is there a fix in the works for not being able to edit scripts in an object and still have the script work?

[22:18] Sakai Openlife: we will make a quick change to search

[22:18] Sakai Openlife: to rename items'

[22:18] Sakai Openlife: to Marketplace

[22:18] Sakai Openlife: and instead work around marketplace search

[22:19] Sakai Openlife: because items was a confusing term

[22:19] Sakai Openlife: it appears

[22:19] Sakai Openlife: *ie ppl clicking items looking for places for 'skins' for example

[22:19] Sakai Openlife: when actually it would find actual skins not places for skins

[22:19] Sakai Openlife: places is regular world search

[22:20] Sakai Openlife: you can edit in place Shai

[22:20] Sakai Openlife: if it fails

[22:20] Sakai Openlife: ie script not visible

[22:20] Sakai Openlife: when you try to open the script

[22:20] Sakai Openlife: wait a moment

[22:20] Sakai Openlife: and retry

[22:20] Sakai Openlife: it appears there's some delay

[22:20] Sakai Openlife: that something is unhappy about

[22:20] Shai Khalifa: I've come across this issue now a few times - drove me nuts yesterday. Have to take the item back to inventory an re-rez it evry time

[22:20] Sakai Openlife: causing the blank script appears

[22:21] Sakai Openlife: (if I remember right it says loading or something)

[22:21] Sakai Openlife: we think it's caused when there's a bit of asset time delay going on

[22:21] Sakai Openlife: (busy)

[22:21] Sakai Openlife: and the response is not as fast as it wants

[22:21] Shai Khalifa: yep, you don't get the little hand icon over the scripted item, so you can't use it

[22:21] Shai Khalifa: doors etc

[22:21] Sakai Openlife: so it assumes it's not available

[22:22] Sakai Openlife: we will obviously find it

[22:22] Sakai Openlife: and correct it

[22:22] Shai Khalifa: hm, problem is, once the script dies, the item doesn't work again even after days

[22:22] Sakai Openlife: but it's not normal or even regular in occurance

[22:22] Shai Khalifa: wb Grims

[22:22] Sakai Openlife: if you edit and try re-edit or even remove then it's gone

[22:22] Grimley Graves: sorry bout that, my keyboard is borked

[22:23] Sakai Openlife: the moment you try to re-edit

[22:23] Sakai Openlife: you're creating a new asset

[22:23] Grimley Graves: froze up

[22:23] Sakai Openlife: simply waiting and trying again

[22:23] Sakai Openlife: rather than delete object

[22:23] Sakai Openlife: etc

[22:23] Sakai Openlife: will keep it

[22:23] Sakai Openlife: and not overwrite the original

[22:23] Sakai Openlife: ;)

[22:24] Sakai Openlife: Did anyone have any Q's

[22:24] Shai Khalifa: I'll give it another go, and if I find one that refuses to work, I'll post it in The Kitchen with location of item for you to check

[22:24] Sakai Openlife: or topics they wanted to talk about?

[22:24] Shai Khalifa: the other issue I wanted to raise is the one about attachments

[22:24] Grimley Graves: yeah, the asset system bugs

[22:24] Shai Khalifa: and how they don't stay put

[22:25] Sakai Openlife: I'm listending

[22:25] Sakai Openlife: (listening)

[22:25] Shai Khalifa: I fear more than one wing will be problematic for people at VLE

[22:25] Grimley Graves: I have two recipes and Surreal has one on the asset system issues

[22:26] Scarletti Gregan: sorry

[22:26] Grimley Graves: when you set something to sell "contents" it dumps the stuff into the lost and found...

[22:26] Surreal Numbers: (havent checked the kitchen lately. wondering if it was actually posted)

[22:26] Shai Khalifa: you create the attachment - and if you don't take it back to inventory before logging off, teleporting or crashing (which happened to me twice yesterday), the next time you appear the item is floating somewhere in the air (maybe)

[22:26] Jardel Greggan: By friends , i have one work ag rl

[22:26] Grimley Graves: then maybe it will create a folder later

[22:26] Scarletti Gregan: bye friends

[22:26] Shai Khalifa: cya Scarleti

[22:26] Surreal Numbers: bye Scarletti and Jardel

[22:26] Sakai Openlife: http://openlifegrid.com/TheKitchen?recipe=74

[22:26] Sakai Openlife: I should mention

[22:26] Sakai Openlife: the kitchen

[22:26] Grimley Graves: bye Scarletti and Jardel

[22:27] Dawny Openlife: Bye bye :)

[22:27] Jardel Greggan is Offline

[22:27] Sakai Openlife: you need to post things that are reproducable

[22:27] Sakai Openlife: or at least as close to exact as possible

[22:27] Surreal Numbers: it was reproducible or i wouldnt have posted

[22:27] Sakai Openlife: we want to know

[22:27] Sakai Openlife: but without details

[22:27] Sakai Openlife: for something for us to look at

[22:27] Sakai Openlife: it's really hard for us to say much or investigate it

[22:27] Shai Khalifa: both the attachment one and the lost and found ones are reproduceable

[22:27] Grimley Graves: http://openlifegrid.com/TheKitchen?recipe=75

[22:28] Shai Khalifa: they happen to us all and all the time

[22:28] Grimley Graves: thats the lost and found bug

[22:28] Grimley Graves: it happens every time

[22:28] Surreal Numbers: k glad to see it there.

[22:28] Shai Khalifa: the lost and found one will be a pain in the bum for Eureka

[22:28] Grimley Graves: sometimes it creates a folder right away, sometimes not till you relog

[22:28] Sakai Openlife: and of course if you have never used the kitchen before

[22:28] Sakai Openlife: feel free to take a look

[22:28] Sakai Openlife: and vote up items that are important to you

[22:28] Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[22:29] Grimley Graves: but it always starts in the L&F

[22:29] Grimley Graves: yes, vote and comment as well

[22:29] Sakai Openlife: absolutely

[22:29] Sakai Openlife: the more feedback from everyone

[22:29] Sakai Openlife: the better

[22:29] Sakai Openlife: you never know, your little experience might be just the bit the developer needs

[22:30] Sakai Openlife: to zero in on the issue

[22:30] Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[22:30] Grimley Graves: as for reproducable results, I try but they arent alys easy to reproduce

[22:30] Shai Khalifa: the third thing I wanted to raise is that handing something via profile always results in 2 of the item in your inventory if it's a single item

[22:30] Sakai Openlife: if you can reproduce

[22:30] Sakai Openlife: drop it in the kitchen

[22:30] Grimley Graves: I've noticed that too :)

[22:30] Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[22:31] savino svm: i em now my region see you leater peaple

[22:31] Dawny Openlife: See you :)

[22:31] Sakai Openlife: seeya Savino!

[22:31] Surreal Numbers: bye

[22:31] savino svm: bey

[22:31] Grimley Graves: bye sav

[22:31] Shai Khalifa: especially if it's taken a littlel while to appear, adn it's only if handed to you via profile

[22:31] Maxx Qarnac: bye

[22:31] Shai Khalifa: cya Savino

[22:31] savino svm: i can nof volow chat

[22:31] Sakai Openlife: quite a few new regions this last week

[22:31] Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[22:31] Grimley Graves: sorry

[22:31] Shai Khalifa: I'll post chat up on OracL

[22:32] Grimley Graves: another language issue, dutch this time

[22:32] Sakai Openlife: Dawny the perfect dutch speaker!

[22:32] Shai Khalifa: hehe

[22:32] Grimley Graves: Savino too

[22:32] Sakai Openlife: I met a few dutch ppl this week

[22:32] Grimley Graves: but Dawny has good english skills

[22:32] Sakai Openlife: kinda surprised me

[22:32] Sakai Openlife: pleasantly ㋡

[22:33] Grimley Graves: Savino not so much, hard for him to follow

[22:33] Sakai Openlife: I think we might also do a survery

[22:33] Sakai Openlife: survey

[22:33] Dawny Openlife: Well tbh, in kindergarten at age 4 they get english

[22:33] Sakai Openlife: on the web this next month

[22:33] Sakai Openlife: with a few credits bounty

[22:33] Sakai Openlife: for answering

[22:33] Shai Khalifa: yes, I was going to say that the Dutch usually have good English

[22:34] Sakai Openlife: *there's a bunch of info we would like to get from everyone to help us in some development decision making

[22:34] Grimley Graves: like?

[22:34] Shai Khalifa: ?

[22:34] Sakai Openlife: there stuff about present platform/hardware

[22:34] Sakai Openlife: and what you would like to get in future

[22:34] Sakai Openlife: and mobile things

[22:34] Sakai Openlife: pretty simple Q's

[22:35] Sakai Openlife: like Do you own a tablet?

[22:35] Sakai Openlife: do you plan to buy a tablet in the net 12 months

[22:35] Dawny Openlife: yes for headaches XD

[22:35] Sakai Openlife: if so which type etc etc

[22:35] Grimley Graves: lol Dawny

[22:35] Sakai Openlife: and some q's about VW's

[22:35] Dawny Openlife: dutch for pill

[22:35] Eve Express: own 2, lol

[22:35] savino svm is Offline

[22:35] Shai Khalifa: oh, you know how you did a 2008 breakdown of registrations so we can see country split etc, can you do another one of them?

[22:35] Sakai Openlife: we thought if we put a credits bounty

[22:35] Sakai Openlife: on answering

[22:36] Sakai Openlife: then we could probably get a lot of surveys

[22:36] Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[22:36] Eve Express: lol

[22:36] Sakai Openlife: something like 25 or 40 credits

[22:36] Sakai Openlife: for doing it

[22:36] Grimley Graves: yep, we can point newbies to the forum

[22:36] Sakai Openlife: handy for new ppl too

[22:36] Grimley Graves: be a good way to get them involved there

[22:36] Sakai Openlife: in the NXG development

[22:36] Sakai Openlife: there's some cross roads

[22:36] Sakai Openlife: we need to make decisions on

[22:37] Sakai Openlife: in the next month or 2

[22:37] Shai Khalifa: IT HAS TO BE FOR MAC TOO .... sorry had to say it

[22:37] Sakai Openlife: Parrallel is your friend

[22:37] Shai Khalifa: no it's not

[22:37] Sakai Openlife: P7 is out now too

[22:37] Grimley Graves: (on a mildly related note, I had a day one newbie win $350 in PRIMaddness this week YAY)

[22:37] Sakai Openlife: nice!

[22:38] Grimley Graves: btw Sakai, did you pop in on the game?

[22:38] Shai Khalifa: coolies Grims

[22:38] Grimley Graves: and immediatly crash out?

[22:38] Shai Khalifa: I'm still after an animator

[22:38] Sakai Openlife: no i didn't

[22:38] Grimley Graves: becaues they both said "hi Sakai" at the same time

[22:38] Sakai Openlife: unfortunately i didn't know when it was on

[22:38] Sakai Openlife: lol

[22:38] Shai Khalifa: but I think I"m going to have to do it myself - I wan tto get the quiz going

[22:38] Eve Express is still looking for an ao

[22:39] Sakai Openlife: oh

[22:39] Sakai Openlife: someone has AO

[22:39] Shai Khalifa: Pauline has AOs

[22:39] Sakai Openlife: Pauline?

[22:39] Sakai Openlife: has Ao's

[22:39] Eve Express: coolio

[22:39] Shai Khalifa: but they stop working as soon as you tp

[22:39] Grimley Graves: with animations?

[22:39] Shai Khalifa: yes

[22:39] Eve Express: damn

[22:39] Sakai Openlife: they won't work if scripting is off

[22:39] Eve Express: i rarely tp

[22:39] Sakai Openlife: i think

[22:39] Sakai Openlife: was the issue

[22:39] Shai Khalifa: she's got basic anims in them and is making mmore available

[22:39] Grimley Graves: cool

[22:40] Shai Khalifa: I have scripts on on all my regions and it still stops

[22:40] Shai Khalifa: sigh

[22:40] Grimley Graves: I've had some scripts stop working as well

[22:40] Eve Express: hmm, try reattaching?

[22:40] Shai Khalifa: yeah that fixes it eve

[22:40] Grimley Graves: it's like they dont reset after a restart or something

[22:41] Eve Express: when i change me color on my shoes and nails i need to unattach nd reattach to get them to hold thru a tp

[22:41] Shai Khalifa: damn it's happened again

[22:41] Sakai Openlife: as long as there's a little time

[22:41] Aerovamon Aionia: have to go now guys, bye bye

[22:41] Sakai Openlife: in between changing

[22:41] Sakai Openlife: the attachment

[22:41] Sakai Openlife: to TP

[22:41] Shai Khalifa: I add an animation, and when I reattach the hud, it says there's no notecard

[22:41] Grimley Graves: bye Aero

[22:42] Sakai Openlife: then it will save ok

[22:42] Shai Khalifa: I've just 'worn' the item

[22:42] Shai Khalifa: and it's still saying the same thing

[22:42] Sakai Openlife: *change is not when you actually touched the object color

[22:42] Eve Express: nah, wore them hours then tp and they revert, but a simple unattach and reattach works fine

[22:42] Sakai Openlife: but when you deselected the object

[22:42] Eve Express: had this blue on for months

[22:42] Eve Express takes a wiff of her dress

[22:42] Sakai Openlife: hehe

[22:42] Shai Khalifa: lol

[22:43] Eve Express: time to change

[22:43] Maxx Qarnac: lol

[22:43] Shai Khalifa: thank goodness we don't need to do the washing

[22:43] Eve Express: lol

[22:43] Sakai Openlife: I do know a question I can ask that I was thinking about this morning

[22:43] Sakai Openlife: what do you currently feel

[22:43] Eve Express: i need to get my clothes set for sale

[22:43] Sakai Openlife: about the level of detail

[22:43] Sakai Openlife: in terrain atm

[22:43] Shai Khalifa: ok, this is the unmodified AO and it works

[22:43] Sakai Openlife: (not texture)

[22:43] Sakai Openlife: but the terrain itself

[22:43] Shai Khalifa: but the one I added another anim to doesn't

[22:44] Grimley Graves: not the testure?

[22:44] Eve Express: hmmmmmmm

[22:44] Sakai Openlife: yeah not the texture

[22:44] Sakai Openlife: but the actual terrain

[22:44] Sakai Openlife: ie high low

[22:44] Eve Express: i sink in it cloes to a prim

[22:44] Grimley Graves: you mean the teraforming detail?

[22:44] Sakai Openlife: bumps

[22:44] Sakai Openlife: etc

[22:44] Eve Express: like a patio

[22:44] Eve Express: close

[22:44] Shai Khalifa: I'm fine with it - I did a load of terrain on Zanith the other day and got a lot of detail with only a little work

[22:45] Grimley Graves: seems fine to me, no different than SL

[22:45] Sakai Openlife: yes it looks so much the same as SL

[22:45] Sakai Openlife: lol

[22:45] Sakai Openlife: but would you want more?

[22:45] Eve Express: i agree, terreforming works

[22:45] Sakai Openlife: (detail)

[22:45] Grimley Graves: depends

[22:45] Eve Express: hmmm

[22:45] Sakai Openlife: ie if you could modify the terrain in smaller amounts

[22:45] Sakai Openlife: how small would you want to modify it?

[22:46] Shai Khalifa: I've found if you use a higher strength slider for say Raise Land than you use to then smooth it, you can get a lot of control

[22:46] Eve Express: well, the details can get small

[22:46] Shai Khalifa: no smaller than currently

[22:46] Shai Khalifa: or else it will look very bitty

[22:46] Grimley Graves: I would say half the current "small" setting would be nice

[22:46] Sakai Openlife: mm let me see if i can grab an example

[22:46] Shai Khalifa: and if you need more detail than now you can use a prim

[22:46] Shai Khalifa: cos your terrain texture won't tell the difference

[22:47] Shai Khalifa: now if we could have more control over textures on terrain, that's a whole different matter

[22:47] Eve Express: as long as u keep the jack hammer, feel free to add a chisel

[22:47] Eve Express wants textures

[22:48] Shai Khalifa: Hi Dingo, come on in

[22:48] Dawny Openlife: Hiya

[22:48] Eve Express: lol, there is a sitting ball on shai's lap

[22:48] Sakai Openlife: this ball is .25m x .25m

[22:48] Shai Khalifa: this is a meeting with residents and Sakai, all are welcome

[22:48] Dingo Dango: hello to all

[22:49] Shai Khalifa: hehe we all got them

[22:49] Grimley Graves: hi DD

[22:49] Shai Khalifa: Sakai hasn't scripted them very well

[22:49] Sakai Openlife: the terrain

[22:49] Sakai Openlife: in the image has a resolution of about 10cm points

[22:50] Maxx Qarnac: hi

[22:50] Grimley Graves: it would be nice to see an actual prim like object digging and raising instead of the arrow forest we currently have, might make things more accurate

[22:51] Grimley Graves: but that is probably beyond doing currently

[22:51] Grimley Graves: without a viewer update

[22:51] Sakai Openlife: the level of detail

[22:51] Sakai Openlife: in those 2 images

[22:51] Shai Khalifa: hehe, you could get slaves to do it Grims

[22:51] Sakai Openlife: is about 40 times

[22:51] Sakai Openlife: higher than now

[22:51] Sakai Openlife: ignore texture

[22:51] Sakai Openlife: but the terrain itself

[22:52] Eve Express: it makes a believable look, i suspect u have bigger fish to fry

[22:52] Sakai Openlife: sure

[22:52] Sakai Openlife: many frying fish

[22:52] Sakai Openlife: hehe

[22:52] Eve Express: lol

[22:53] Sakai Openlife: was just something I was thinking about

[22:53] Sakai Openlife: when i was having a cigarrette earlier today

[22:53] Dawny Openlife: Bad for you...

[22:53] Sakai Openlife: *probably bad for my health

[22:53] Dawny Openlife: :P

[22:53] Shai Khalifa: hehe

[22:53] Sakai Openlife: but i think a lot

[22:53] Sakai Openlife: when i do

[22:53] Sakai Openlife: haha

[22:53] Grimley Graves: my vote would be YES, with the stipulation that the other basic functions are all done first (website finished, search finished, groups finished, etc)

[22:53] Sakai Openlife: lol u don't need to vote on this

[22:54] Shai Khalifa: hehe

[22:54] Sakai Openlife: I would prefer that when I am on my balcony having a smoke and coffee in the morning

[22:54] Sakai Openlife: ppl aren't voting about me

[22:54] Shai Khalifa: won't we get more control with NxG?

[22:54] Eve Express gets confused by ballots

[22:54] Grimley Graves: I just dont want it to suck any resources away from the primary goals :)

[22:54] Sakai Openlife: oh it does

[22:54] Sakai Openlife: lots of coffee

[22:54] Sakai Openlife: hehe

[22:54] Sakai Openlife: causes me to drink more coffee than i should!

[22:55] Eve Express: try tea

[22:55] Eve Express: yummm

[22:55] Sakai Openlife: i do thankyou ㋡

[22:55] Sakai Openlife: I like tea

[22:55] Shai Khalifa: hehe, I'm happy to wait for more terrain control and have it in NxG - the tools we have here are fine

[22:55] Eve Express: mmhmm

[22:55] Sakai Openlife: cold tea

[22:55] Sakai Openlife: not really hot tea drinker

[22:55] Grimley Graves: hi Justyn

[22:55] Sakai Openlife: unless it's straight green tea

[22:55] Eve Express: poor deprived man

[22:55] Shai Khalifa: lol

[22:55] Justyn Tyme: evening

[22:55] Dingo Dango: afternoon Justin

[22:55] Dawny Openlife: Hiya Justyn

[22:55] Eve Express crys for sakai

[22:55] Sakai Openlife: ie i don't do milk and sugar etc in tea

[22:55] Grimley Graves: congrats on the new region :)

[22:56] Shai Khalifa looks at her now-empty tea mug

[22:56] Justyn Tyme: ty

[22:56] Sakai Openlife: something licious?

[22:56] Sakai Openlife: what was that name?

[22:56] Justyn Tyme: Jaylicous Bay

[22:56] Sakai Openlife: yeah i wanted to ask

[22:56] Sakai Openlife: where's the name from?

[22:56] Dingo Dango is Online

[22:56] Dingo Dango: ty

[22:56] Sakai Openlife: Jay = delicious?

[22:56] Justyn Tyme: me I love anything with jay in it :P

[22:57] Sakai Openlife: I was thinking hard about why the name

[22:57] Sakai Openlife: lol

[22:57] Sakai Openlife: well there it is

[22:57] Sakai Openlife: J = licious

[22:57] Sakai Openlife: :p

[22:57] Justyn Tyme: hehe

[22:57] Maxx Qarnac: lol

[22:57] Sakai Openlife: Amy thought maybe it was something to do with Justin Timberlake is delicious

[22:57] Justyn Tyme: lmao

[22:57] Dawny Openlife: ugh

[22:58] Grimley Graves: lol

[22:58] Dingo Dango: lmao

[22:58] Shai Khalifa: Sakai you said a few weeks ago that Klee would be joing us for a meeting at some point - when's that likely to be?

[22:58] Sakai Openlife: I'm unsure

[22:58] Sakai Openlife: I need to talk to Klee again

[22:58] Sakai Openlife: and if the time is not good

[22:58] Shai Khalifa: can we please have a week's notice on the Forum when that's going to happen

[22:58] Sakai Openlife: then maybe do a different time meeting

[22:59] Sakai Openlife: just in case it's too late

[22:59] Shai Khalifa: so that as many people as possible can come

[22:59] Sakai Openlife: but I'll try get some advance notice on there

[22:59] Sakai Openlife: after i talk with Klee

[22:59] Sakai Openlife: :p

[22:59] Shai Khalifa: kk

[22:59] Grimley Graves: any earlier and I'm out, altho weekends are good for most times

[22:59] Shai Khalifa: lol, any earlier and I'm on the lappy from bed

[23:00] Sakai Openlife: hehe

[23:00] Sakai Openlife: any earlier

[23:00] Sakai Openlife: and i wish i was in bed!

[23:00] Shai Khalifa: hehe

[23:00] Dawny Openlife: rofl

[23:00] Grimley Graves: any earlier and your sawing logs Shai :D

[23:00] Shai Khalifa: you're a niteowl anyway Sakai

[23:00] Dingo Dango: 7pm

[23:00] Dawny Openlife: any later and i am in bed with KLee :P

[23:00] Sakai Openlife: actually i have something really cool

[23:00] Sakai Openlife: that I'll post up

[23:00] Eve Express: nap time is a good time.......any time of the day

[23:00] Shai Khalifa: roflmao Dawny

[23:00] Eve Express: lol

[23:00] Sakai Openlife: on the site sometime after tommorrow

[23:00] Sakai Openlife: tommorrow I'm going to a sort of realtime

[23:00] Sakai Openlife: virtual world

[23:01] Sakai Openlife: thingy

[23:01] Sakai Openlife: mm how to explain

[23:01] Sakai Openlife: a screen

[23:01] Shai Khalifa: thingy???

[23:01] Sakai Openlife: about 80m long?

[23:01] Grimley Graves: outside?

[23:01] Sakai Openlife: and about 3m high

[23:01] Grimley Graves: *sniker*

[23:01] Sakai Openlife: covered by a whole world

[23:01] Sakai Openlife: *like ancient chinese world

[23:01] Sakai Openlife: complete with ppl

[23:01] Sakai Openlife: that walk around

[23:01] Sakai Openlife: and do things

[23:01] Dingo Dango: ppl?

[23:01] Sakai Openlife: *virtual ppl

[23:01] Dingo Dango: need mo ppl

[23:02] Sakai Openlife: it's a sort of exhibition

[23:02] Dingo Dango: real ones

[23:02] Shai Khalifa is completely bemused

[23:02] Sakai Openlife: they took a really famous

[23:02] Shai Khalifa: you'll have to take pics and show us Sakai

[23:02] Sakai Openlife: chinese painting

[23:02] Sakai Openlife: theat looks like a town

[23:02] Sakai Openlife: with ppl

[23:02] Grimley Graves: will you be wearing a VR helmet?

[23:02] Sakai Openlife: doing things

[23:02] Sakai Openlife: but in a painting

[23:02] Sakai Openlife: they won't move etc

[23:02] Sakai Openlife: because it's just a painting

[23:02] Sakai Openlife: but basically they brought everyone to life

[23:03] Sakai Openlife: and blew up it

[23:03] Shai Khalifa: um, so what's the point if they can't move?

[23:03] Sakai Openlife: well they can

[23:03] Sakai Openlife: in the exhibition

[23:03] Sakai Openlife: but in the original 2000 yr old painting

[23:03] Sakai Openlife: well they didn't have avatars

[23:03] Dingo Dango: lmao

[23:03] Shai Khalifa scratches her head

[23:03] Eve Express: need to run

[23:03] Sakai Openlife: cya eve

[23:03] Maxx Qarnac: me2

[23:03] Grimley Graves: so they have recreated a painting virtually

[23:03] Dingo Dango: tc eve

[23:03] Maxx Qarnac: nice to see u all again

[23:04] Maxx Qarnac: tc, ttfn

[23:04] Grimley Graves: that you can walk around in?

[23:04] Eve Express: bye all, need to thrw this dress in the wash

[23:04] Dawny Openlife: bye bye :)

[23:04] Eve Express: lol

[23:04] Shai Khalifa: ok Eve, good to see you again, and thanks for doing the skins etc for the new signups

[23:04] Grimley Graves: bye Eve

[23:04] Eve Express: yvw

[23:04] Eve Express: bye

[23:04] Sakai Openlife: but

[23:04] Sakai Openlife: anyways I'll

[23:04] Sakai Openlife: take some video

[23:04] Sakai Openlife: and pictures

[23:04] Sakai Openlife: and share with everyone

[23:04] Shai Khalifa: coolies

[23:04] Sakai Openlife: and it will make sense

[23:04] Grimley Graves: sounds like fun

[23:04] Eve Express: i SWEAR, i will try to have EVERYTHING on sale in store this weekend

[23:04] Sakai Openlife: I'll post it as an article in the new hub

[23:04] Sakai Openlife: it looks incredibly impressive

[23:05] Shai Khalifa: lol, good, so I can come spend money

[23:05] Eve Express: lol

[23:06] Grimley Graves: I've seen something similar, used for combat training, 360 degree screen

[23:06] Grimley Graves: that what you are talking about?

[23:06] Sakai Openlife: no

[23:06] Sakai Openlife: I've done virtual combat

[23:06] Sakai Openlife: (WETS)

[23:07] Sakai Openlife: with real weapons

[23:07] Shai Khalifa: Sakai, Caro asked me to pass on a request for the new viewer - something like they have with the Imprudence viewer - the ability to preview textures on items - clothing for example

[23:07] Sakai Openlife: when i was in the army

[23:08] Shai Khalifa: I have now passed on the message ... :)

[23:08] Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[23:09] Sakai Openlife: this sort of painting

[23:09] Sakai Openlife: but entirely brought to life

[23:09] Sakai Openlife: on a screen about 50 or 80m long

[23:09] Shai Khalifa: that's a huge electicity bill

[23:10] Sakai Openlife: the screen isn't flat either

[23:10] Sakai Openlife: it's like a windy scroll

[23:10] Shai Khalifa: it's breezy?

[23:10] Shai Khalifa: hehe

[23:10] Sakai Openlife: lol

[23:10] Grimley Graves: can you interact with the painted people?

[23:10] Sakai Openlife: no like a winding road

[23:10] Sakai Openlife: unfortunately not

[23:10] Sakai Openlife: but it's impressive all the same

[23:11] Grimley Graves: hehe, give em a week or two

[23:11] Sakai Openlife: maybe next time they will hire us to make the painting into an entire world with visitors being the actual ppl in the painting

[23:11] Grimley Graves: hey, wouldn't hurt to pitch it to them :)

[23:11] Shai Khalifa: now THAT would be impressive

[23:11] Sakai Openlife: I probably don't have the 'arty' look

[23:11] Sakai Openlife: I might need a make over to go for arts funding

[23:12] Shai Khalifa: lol you got enough peircings to look arty

[23:12] Sakai Openlife: i could get some more

[23:12] Grimley Graves: project a VLE event up there

[23:12] Dawny Openlife: maybe some gel in your hair, sleek

[23:13] Sakai Openlife: I'm sure some arts dept funding would propel us a long

[23:13] Sakai Openlife: at a high speed

[23:13] Sakai Openlife: hehe

[23:13] Shai Khalifa: oh talking of which - we're doing a special VLE birthday party for 3DX again this year

[23:13] Sakai Openlife: yeah I was thinking about this

[23:13] Shai Khalifa: 22 october is the party date

[23:14] Dingo Dango: 21 is bday for me

[23:14] Shai Khalifa: this coming weekend is the VLE birthday - our 2nd

[23:14] Sakai Openlife: 16th is my rez day

[23:14] Shai Khalifa: coolies Dingo - good reason to come spend with me

[23:14] Sakai Openlife: but 22nd is close enough

[23:14] Dingo Dango: tehe

[23:14] Dingo Dango: both sound good

[23:15] Shai Khalifa: I think last year we had the birthday party on 25th or thereabouts

[23:15] Sakai Openlife: yeah i think is fine

[23:15] Shai Khalifa: theme is going to be something about fantasy

[23:15] Grimley Graves: well folks, I gotta run, need to pick up a new keyboard

[23:15] Sakai Openlife: okies

[23:15] Shai Khalifa: Surreal's doing a flip scene themed build

[23:15] Dingo Dango: tc

[23:15] Sakai Openlife: hope it isn't too heavy for you

[23:15] Shai Khalifa: ok Grims, catchya

[23:15] Sakai Openlife: :p

[23:16] Grimley Graves: :)

[23:16] Shai Khalifa: nice little flat aluminium one again Grims?

[23:16] Grimley Graves: see ya soon

[23:16] Shai Khalifa loves apple keyboards

[23:16] Shai Khalifa: cya

[23:16] Grimley Graves: first time I've had one fail

[23:16] Sakai Openlife: a keyboard?

[23:16] Grimley Graves: yep

[23:16] Sakai Openlife: mine usually fail from

[23:16] Sakai Openlife: coffee

[23:16] Dawny Openlife: see you Grim :)

[23:16] Dingo Dango: lol

[23:17] Sakai Openlife: or simply no visible letters left on the keys

[23:17] Shai Khalifa: lol

[23:17] Grimley Graves: apple hardware is pretty reliable

[23:17] Shai Khalifa: yep

[23:17] Grimley Graves: ok, see ya

[23:17] Shai Khalifa: cya

[23:17] Dawny Openlife: Bye bye