[22:01] Grimley Graves: hi Sakai 

[22:01] Sakai Openlife: woohoo 
[22:01] Shai Khalifa: hey Sakai 
[22:01] Aerovamon Aionia: hello sakai  
[22:01] Sakai Openlife: G'Day everyone 
[22:01] Pauline Blackswan: hello Sakai 
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: great to be back at the meet  
[22:02] Shai Khalifa: wow man, you smack on time today  
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: :p 
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: hehe grims aero and shai 
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: all move hands 
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: at the same time 
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: hehe cute 
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: how is everyone? 
[22:02] Grimley Graves: syncronized sitting 
[22:02] Shai Khalifa: day off for me - so happy enough 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: I reckon someone called Celeste Paradise is about to arrive into welcome 
[22:03] Shai Khalifa: new OLympic sport 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: hehe yeah 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: actually this is our last meet as 'Openlife' 
[22:03] Shai Khalifa: and Celeste Paradise would be????????? 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: dunno another new user 
[22:03] Shai Khalifa: ah ok 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: just saw the registration 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: on the monitor 
[22:03] Pauline Blackswan: Dante daughter? 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: been a lot of new reg lately actually 
[22:03] Shai Khalifa: Grims can you bring Smiley in? 
[22:04] Sakai Openlife: particularly high for mid week signups 
[22:04] Shai Khalifa: one sec, sick daughter 
[22:04] Grimley Graves: we arent doing so well actually Sakai... 
[22:04] Sakai Openlife: ur unwell? 
[22:04] Grimley Graves: I assume you've seen the posts in the forums 
[22:04] Sakai Openlife: we read as much as we can yes 
[22:04] Shai Khalifa: back 
[22:04] Sakai Openlife: which post would you like to point me to 
[22:04] Sakai Openlife:  
[22:05] Grimley Graves: http://openlifegrid.com/Forums/tabid/323/aff/25/aft/2452/afv/topic/afpgj/1/Default.aspx#19431 
[22:05] Shai Khalifa: yeah, may be getting new people, but they don't stay - and there's unrest in the more permenant camp 
[22:05] Sakai Openlife: I did have a read of that 
[22:05] Sakai Openlife: maybe pauline can help me a little more with it 
[22:06] Sakai Openlife: when we tested clothes live 
[22:06] Grimley Graves: I've not seen this level of unrest ever in OL 
[22:06] Sakai Openlife: seemed to be fine 
[22:06] Shai Khalifa: easy to test here 
[22:06] Pauline Blackswan: unfortunately with the part A the clothes issue was not fixed 
[22:06] Sakai Openlife: the bug sucked there's no doubt about it 
[22:06] Shai Khalifa: you just create a new item of clothing, texture it, take it off and then rewear 
[22:06] Grimley Graves: I can confirm that textures dont always load when uploaded 
[22:07] Grimley Graves: and still can disappear after relog 
[22:07] Pauline Blackswan: exactly 
[22:07] Aerovamon Aionia: i dont have that problem for a couple of days now 
[22:07] Shai Khalifa: I've been exceedingly lucky not to have been stuck wth that one 
[22:07] Grimley Graves: I just uploaded three that wouldn't displya, showed dimentions of 0 X 0 
[22:07] Shai Khalifa: oh, has to be a newly uploaded texture 
[22:08] Grimley Graves: yeah, existing textures seem to be fine 
[22:08] Sakai Openlife: ? 
[22:08] Sakai Openlife: worked 
[22:08] Grimley Graves: I think the new asset system is having a hard time finding them, but I'm no expert 
[22:09] Sakai Openlife: if you geet a 0x0 
[22:09] Sakai Openlife: would not surprise me 
[22:09] Shai Khalifa: where did your shirt go Sakai? 
[22:09] Sakai Openlife: if it wasn't 0x0 a little later 
[22:09] Sakai Openlife: *I took it off 
[22:09] Shai Khalifa: ah ok 
[22:09] Sakai Openlife: red isn't such a pretty shirt 
[22:09] Sakai Openlife: lol 
[22:09] Grimley Graves: these texture issues (grey textures, missing tex, lost tex) all started when the new system came online 
[22:10] Pauline Blackswan is Offline 
[22:10] Shai Khalifa: oop 
[22:10] Grimley Graves: and effect some more than others 
[22:10] Shai Khalifa: Pauline just came out of appearance and crashed 
[22:10] Sakai Openlife: I think she's relog test 
[22:10] Shai Khalifa: kk 
[22:10] Grimley Graves: or maybe she is relogging 
[22:11] Pauline Blackswan is Online 
[22:11] Sakai Openlife: if there's a fair bit going on it can take up to 3 secs 
[22:11] Sakai Openlife: from what we saw 
[22:11] Sakai Openlife: for the asset 
[22:11] Sakai Openlife: to make it into it's 'bin' 
[22:11] Shai Khalifa: there's bugger all goes on on the grid 
[22:11] Shai Khalifa: lately 
[22:11] Grimley Graves: the big problem this last week is primary residents talking about downgrading or leaving alltogether  
[22:12] Grimley Graves: I see white 
[22:12] Shai Khalifa: you're white basic again Pauline 
[22:12] Pauline Blackswan: ok here we go 
[22:12] Pauline Blackswan: exactly 
[22:12] Pauline Blackswan: i saved it 
[22:12] Shai Khalifa: it's not even the shape you edited it to, it's just basic basic now 
[22:12] Pauline Blackswan: but relog and the jacket is gone 

TEXTURES TO CLOTHING 

[22:12] Sakai Openlife: ok try it again 
[22:12] Sakai Openlife: but wait about 3-5sec 
[22:13] Sakai Openlife: after save 
[22:13] Sakai Openlife: *so that the asset can actually have time to save 

[22:13] Shai Khalifa: that's a long time to have to wait, and anyone who doesn't know the constraint will just think it's an extremely annoying bug and start to complain 
[22:14] Sakai Openlife: ur only going to see it 
[22:14] Shai Khalifa: so will it be fixed? 
[22:14] Grimley Graves: have you read the topic I showed you Sakai? 
[22:14] Sakai Openlife: if you make save quit fast 
[22:14] Pauline Blackswan: ok saved now 
[22:14] Sakai Openlife: yeah i already read that one 
[22:14] Pauline Blackswan: let me relog 
[22:14] Pauline Blackswan is Offline 
[22:15] Pauline Blackswan is Online 
[22:15] Shai Khalifa: ah it's there now 
[22:15] Sakai Openlife:  

[22:16] Shai Khalifa: so the current rule is - save down the item - then make sure you don't log off within say 10 seconds of that action 
[22:16] Sakai Openlife: well just wait a moment if you're going to log off 
[22:16] Sakai Openlife: doesn't take long 
[22:17] Sakai Openlife: like i said we saw at most about 3 secs 

[22:17] Sakai Openlife: but you're only likely to see it if you're trying to acheive it 
[22:17] Pauline Blackswan: ok but when did happen a couple of days ago i waited longer thatn 10 seconds 
[22:17] Grimley Graves: what about textures that disappear from inv? 
[22:17] Shai Khalifa: could you please do a presis of this on the forum Sakai? 
[22:18] Sakai Openlife: replied  
[22:18] Shai Khalifa: cool 
[22:18] Grimley Graves: there have been lots of complaints of vanishing textures 
[22:18] Sakai Openlife: i haven't seen what you mentioned after the update grims 
[22:18] Sakai Openlife: yes many complaints 
[22:18] Sakai Openlife: but before the update 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: users that have sent contacts to us we have sent credits to prior to the update 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: reimbursing for lost cr 
[22:19] Pauline Blackswan: Part B has not been deployed yet 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: part b 
[22:19] Shai Khalifa: I can't test that one cos it doesn't seem to affect me for some reason that I'm grateful for 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: doesn't contain anything relating to this 
[22:19] Pauline Blackswan: what it contains? 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: Part B contains day/night 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: some additional handling to 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: attachment positions 
[22:19] Pauline Blackswan: ok 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: some group corrections 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: a little more land handling 
[22:20] Shai Khalifa: yay 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: some additional lsl reworks 
[22:20] Grimley Graves: I would wait on B until you are sure that A has worked as advertised 
[22:20] Shai Khalifa: when's B scheduled for? 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: abd support for some 3dmee items 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: A tbh 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: is working 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: as we expected it to 
[22:21] Sakai Openlife: if someone can reproduce a texture issue we'll put in the scope 
[22:21] Sakai Openlife: and take aim at it 
[22:21] Grimley Graves: and I really think you need to do some serious spin to reassure folks that things are ok 
[22:21] Shai Khalifa: I agree 
[22:21] Shai Khalifa: and the forum has to be the place for it 
[22:21] Grimley Graves: with all due respect, if you arent in a panic right now you arent paying attention 
[22:21] Shai Khalifa: so we can reference it to others 
[22:22] Shai Khalifa: it's a shame that we lost Cheops's project 
[22:22] Shai Khalifa: that could have had major implications 
[22:22] Sakai Openlife: what is it? 
[22:22] Grimley Graves: thats true 
[22:23] Shai Khalifa: in terms of promoting a grid for use as a meeting platform for business 
[22:23] Grimley Graves: and sha wont be online as much while she is working on the other grid 
[22:23] Shai Khalifa: she sent you an email with the outline 
[22:23] Grimley Graves: *she 
[22:23] Shai Khalifa: I know cos I edited the text for her before she sent it. 
[22:23] Sakai Openlife: what does she need that we don't have?> 
[22:24] Shai Khalifa: they've now employed her to do this work, so her time has to necessarily go to her work environment 
[22:24] Shai Khalifa: they needed stability and surety 
[22:25] Sakai Openlife: surety of ... ? 
[22:25] Sakai Openlife: we just fixed the glue issue 
[22:25] Shai Khalifa: so they've now created their own grid attached to the OS mob 
[22:25] Pauline Blackswan: whati can say is that atm OL is not trusted as a good place to develop a project 
[22:25] Sakai Openlife: well I have to say but the reviews from new users have been quite glowing 
[22:25] Shai Khalifa: that does seem to be the general inference Pauline 
[22:26] Shai Khalifa: where are the reviews? Can we see them anywhere? 
[22:26] Sakai Openlife: sure just meet new users 
[22:26] Shai Khalifa: cos I'd love to reference them for new people I meet 
[22:26] Sakai Openlife: these are the ppl i've been meeting 
[22:26] Sakai Openlife: tbh I would say 
[22:27] Sakai Openlife: cheops issue has more to do with cost 
[22:27] Shai Khalifa: give them a few days and if they last that long, they're asking serious questions 
[22:27] Sakai Openlife: than anything else 
[22:27] Shai Khalifa: no, we were going to get it started on Eriador - so no cost 
[22:27] Grimley Graves: you would have to ask her about that 
[22:27] Shai Khalifa: as the test 
[22:27] Shai Khalifa: so that wouldn't have been an issue 
[22:28] Sakai Openlife: ok then point the isse to me 
[22:28] Sakai Openlife: sincerly 
[22:28] Sakai Openlife: we have had rumbling etc before 
[22:28] Shai Khalifa: I'll get Cheops to speak to you direct on it 
[22:28] Sakai Openlife: we put an awful lot of work into fixes this month 
[22:28] Shai Khalifa: I can't speak on her behalf 
[22:28] Sakai Openlife: delivered a ton of them 
[22:28] Sakai Openlife: and some really major ones 
[22:29] Grimley Graves: maybe sha can still do part of it here 
[22:29] Shai Khalifa: and broke some major ones also 
[22:29] Sakai Openlife: the platform is quite far ahead than it's os competitors now 
[22:29] Shai Khalifa: you won't get too many disagreements on that one Sakai 
[22:29] Shai Khalifa: but - breaking textures was a big booboo 
[22:29] Grimley Graves: well, this should all be spelled out in the forums, release noted for the updates 
[22:29] Sakai Openlife: yes we broke some things in implementing a new system 
[22:30] Sakai Openlife: that we subsequently fixed 
[22:30] Grimley Graves: detailed notes 
[22:30] Sakai Openlife: we are certainly not denying this 
[22:30] Sakai Openlife: and it sucked 
[22:30] Shai Khalifa: yes, the forums need to reflect what's happening in a positive sense 
[22:30] Pauline Blackswan: Sakai let's not hide behind a finger 
[22:30] Shai Khalifa: and you guys need to drive that Sakai - that's free advertising and promotion 
[22:30] Grimley Graves: the general lack of those notes only hurts things 
[22:30] Sakai Openlife: lol I'm not sure what that means 
[22:30] Pauline Blackswan: if you clean the not renewed regions... how many will show on the map? 
[22:30] Sakai Openlife: but the notes are there 
[22:31] Pauline Blackswan: if you get green dot to be real time 
[22:31] Sakai Openlife: we put the kitchen notes up 
[22:31] Shai Khalifa: the lists are there, but not the detail 
[22:31] Grimley Graves: if we know what to expect and what we can test it's better than guessing 
[22:31] Pauline Blackswan: how many will show on the mapo at same time? 
[22:31] Shai Khalifa: ie.- we've fixed X in this update, it was caused by Y and it also affectd Z 
[22:31] Grimley Graves: I dont see release notes for part A 
[22:31] Shai Khalifa: you often explain things to us here, but that's just to us 
[22:32] Sakai Openlife: we linked back to the kitchen notes 
[22:32] Grimley Graves: just the announcement that it was done 
[22:32] Shai Khalifa: they make sense when you explain, but that's as far as they go 
[22:32] Pauline Blackswan: can somebody explane me why grids certainly worse tahn ol has so much higher number or resident or they has more reputation? 
[22:32] Shai Khalifa: because they get out there and promote them 
[22:32] Sakai Openlife: probably cos we're always taking a beating 
[22:33] Sakai Openlife: you've got a rather nasty bunch of players about 
[22:33] Shai Khalifa: we need to have a very visible face given to us 
[22:33] Sakai Openlife: *without putting a shyness on it 
[22:33] Grimley Graves: Pauline, they use the old SL interface and software so they have functions that work (like search) that we dont have 
[22:33] Shai Khalifa: one that's positive and factual 
[22:33] Pauline Blackswan: is that bad? 
[22:33] Pauline Blackswan: grim 
[22:33] Grimley Graves: they arent any more stable, (often less) 
[22:33] Sakai Openlife: certainly less 
[22:33] Sakai Openlife: and less funct 
[22:33] Shai Khalifa: I agree Grims - Avination you can't move in 
[22:34] Grimley Graves: but they are what people are used to 
[22:34] Shai Khalifa: also Avination is mainly full of sex groups and shops 
[22:34] Sakai Openlife: I can say we do certainly hope to raise profile with the 3DMee change kicking off on monday 
[22:34] Shai Khalifa: it's all about selling and commerce 
[22:34] Pauline Blackswan: avn is quite a sh... but IW made big steps in terms of stability and functions 
[22:35] Shai Khalifa: oh, Melly has come back 
[22:35] Sakai Openlife: Charli *new region owner 
[22:35] Sakai Openlife: interestingly specifically listed 
[22:35] Sakai Openlife: iw as a major dislike 
[22:35] Shai Khalifa: yes, I get that 
[22:35] Shai Khalifa: I greeted Charli when she first arrived 
[22:36] Shai Khalifa: we had a very long conversation 
[22:36] Sakai Openlife: Monday you guys have got search 
[22:36] Sakai Openlife: in more ways than one 
[22:36] Grimley Graves: well, I dont much care for IW as well, I visit friends there, do some RP, but would never get a region there 
[22:36] Sakai Openlife: and a whole new web 
[22:36] Sakai Openlife: it's very self promoting 
[22:36] Grimley Graves: but the things newbies ask me about the most are basic things 
[22:36] Shai Khalifa: so is there any other promotion being done? you doing interviews? 
[22:36] Sakai Openlife: Openlife to a degree 
[22:37] Shai Khalifa: getting in the web media? 
[22:37] Sakai Openlife: yes has stayed in the shade 
[22:37] Shai Khalifa: posting on virtual world blogs etc? 
[22:37] Sakai Openlife: while we worked through 
[22:37] Sakai Openlife: yes 
[22:37] Sakai Openlife: shai of course 
[22:37] Sakai Openlife:  
[22:37] Grimley Graves: search, mainland, why the default av cant be adjusted, etc 
[22:37] Shai Khalifa: good 
[22:37] Pauline Blackswan: may be i missed something ... what's the amyor dislike of IW? 
[22:37] Sakai Openlife: honestly when ppl tell me they don't like xyz place 
[22:38] Grimley Graves: search starting on monday??? 
[22:38] Sakai Openlife: I usually try to turn the conversation positive 
[22:38] Sakai Openlife: and help them to have a good time here 
[22:38] Sakai Openlife: yes you heard me right Grims 
[22:38] Sakai Openlife: it's part of the the 3DMee site 
[22:39] Sakai Openlife: that we previewed a few weeks back in the forum 
[22:39] Sakai Openlife: I did have a little note to share about it for the meet 
[22:39] Grimley Graves: if search is starting on monday, as well as the switch over why haven't you been shouting this from the highest rooftops??? 
[22:39] Sakai Openlife: if I can 
[22:39] Sakai Openlife: because we were knuckled down into 0.8.4.9 
[22:39] Grimley Graves: this should be something you should be crowing about  
[22:39] Sakai Openlife: fixing our own mess 
[22:40] Sakai Openlife: now that we're out of the 0.8.4.9 dev work 
[22:40] Sakai Openlife: we can put time into moving to 3dmee 
[22:40] Sakai Openlife: and shouting a lot  
[22:40] Grimley Graves: and in the forums too!! 
[22:40] Sakai Openlife: I have a long post 
[22:40] Sakai Openlife: I've been drafting this morning 
[22:40] Grimley Graves: the core residents NEED to know good things are happening !! 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: it will appear a little later today 
[22:41] Shai Khalifa: hehe, you want me to spell check it?? 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: well 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: if anyone wants to get vocal 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: about 3dmee 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: we could use some hands 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: that's for sure 
[22:41] Shai Khalifa: I'm happy to help out this weekend 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: so this will be in the forum anyway 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: but 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: the 'object' search 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: rewind a little 

SEARCH 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: search has 4 options 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: off the top of my head 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: or 3? 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: general search 
[22:42] Shai Khalifa: 4 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: searches through everything 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: mix of av profiles 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: groups 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: land 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: etc 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: group search 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: find you groups 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: there was a condition to being shown 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: but i forget 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: I think it's being public 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: group 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: av search is as it is 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: searches av names 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: then you can go to profile 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: and friend if you like etc 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: item search was the one i wanted to mention 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: item search if you can read where we're going with it 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: (between the lines) 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: you can sarch items 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: that are set show in search 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: and that are for sale 
[22:44] Shai Khalifa: wasn't there one for Events also? 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: only if more than 0credits 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: no we didn't search events 
[22:44] Shai Khalifa: ok 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: to be listed in search 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: the item needs to be show in search 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: AFTER 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: and update next week 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: *so don't run away and set now 
[22:44] Shai Khalifa: hehe, yes, cos it doesn't work atm 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: but do unset if you have set it 
[22:45] Shai Khalifa: they don't stay set 
[22:45] Grimley Graves: so we need to toggle that on our items? 
[22:45] Sakai Openlife: only if you want them to appear in search 
[22:45] Sakai Openlife: so 
[22:45] Sakai Openlife: for example 
[22:45] Sakai Openlife: if you have boxed something for sale 
[22:45] Sakai Openlife: that 'box' 
[22:45] Sakai Openlife: will appear in search 
[22:45] Shai Khalifa: you'll need to go around and do it once it's all turned on. I tried the other day, just to be prepared a bit - but the checkbox doesn't stay checked yet 
[22:46] Sakai Openlife: it won't list the contents etc (yet) 
[22:46] Sakai Openlife: but later 
[22:46] Sakai Openlife: we're working to use some datamining 
[22:46] Sakai Openlife: and introduce buying with credits over the site 
[22:46] Sakai Openlife: ie it will look in the contents 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: and show those to the user 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: and perms 
[22:47] Shai Khalifa: will we need to do anything specific to allow things to be delivered inworld? 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: and allow them to buy there and then 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: nope 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: nothing at all 
[22:47] Shai Khalifa: cool 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: Show 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: it will also pull the texture 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: off the box 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: and show it in the search 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: and if you put a texture inside 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: with a special name 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: that would show too 
[22:48] Grimley Graves: thats awesome but the most important thing is search basics working, anything after is a bonus 
[22:48] Sakai Openlife: already done grims 
[22:48] Shai Khalifa: phew 
[22:48] Grimley Graves: but tested is another thing 
[22:48] Sakai Openlife: this isn't something i need to do before monday 
[22:48] Sakai Openlife: it's done we will do the update on monday 
[22:48] Shai Khalifa: then we can test it inworld 
[22:49] Shai Khalifa: nice 
[22:49] Sakai Openlife: and out of world too 
[22:49] Shai Khalifa:  
[22:49] Sakai Openlife: its available on both sides 
[22:49] Grimley Graves: so you can search inworld and on the web? 
[22:49] Sakai Openlife: yep 
[22:49] Grimley Graves: nice 
[22:49] Sakai Openlife: and you don't need to be logged in to the webn 
[22:49] Sakai Openlife: to search 
[22:49] Sakai Openlife: *yuou do if you want the tp 
[22:50] Sakai Openlife: or if you want more profile info 
[22:50] Shai Khalifa: the benefit of having the search web-based that also doubles inworld, is that you can have your browser on another screen if you have one - and search on that screen - like having tearoff window 
[22:50] Sakai Openlife: yes if you've got 2 screens 
[22:50] Sakai Openlife: really handy 
[22:51] Sakai Openlife: i think some ppl might have noticed 
[22:51] Sakai Openlife: your parcel counts 
[22:51] Sakai Openlife: are going back up again 
[22:51] Grimley Graves: as long as inworld search is easy enough for a monkey to use people will be happy 
[22:51] Sakai Openlife: your search places 
[22:51] Sakai Openlife: are relvancy and visitor ranked 
[22:51] Sakai Openlife: for position 
[22:52] Grimley Graves: oh, TP from inworld search??? 
[22:52] Sakai Openlife: yes in out 
[22:52] Sakai Openlife: both 
[22:52] Grimley Graves:  
[22:52] Shai Khalifa: can visitor numbers be stacked? Are they linked to time on the parcel? 
[22:52] Sakai Openlife: no they are not linked to time on parcel 
[22:52] Sakai Openlife: and likewise 
[22:52] Shai Khalifa: good 
[22:52] Sakai Openlife: walking across the border over and over 
[22:52] Sakai Openlife: won't give you the desired effect 
[22:52] Shai Khalifa: double good 
[22:53] Sakai Openlife: although we have considered time 'weightings' 
[22:53] Sakai Openlife: although nothing like the time given to parcel count 
[22:53] Sakai Openlife: in SL 
[22:54] Grimley Graves: to me anyway, parcel counts are a curiosity only, not that important 
[22:54] Grimley Graves: search is much more important 
[22:54] Shai Khalifa: and can easily be managed by a visitor counter, set to collision - and stretched as an invisible phantom prim across the parcel 

MESH AND HE NEW VIEWER 

[22:55] Sakai Openlife: behidn me is a screenshot of some new viewer work 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: Klee tells me not quite ready yet 
[22:56] Shai Khalifa: I thought that looked different 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: and still a little on our end not done yet too 
[22:56] Grimley Graves: and a grey zombie LOL 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: we were hoping for aug 1st 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: but we'll probably miss it 
[22:56] Shai Khalifa: it's very like his new SL viewer in colour ect 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: and make it sometime in august 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: complete with shadows 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: and possibly mesh 
[22:56] Shai Khalifa: hehe, yeah 1st is very close 
[22:56] Shai Khalifa: ah, I've been asked about mesh in OL 
[22:57] Sakai Openlife: the answer on mesh us yes 
[22:57] Shai Khalifa: evidently the cost to upload in SL is extortionatE 
[22:57] Pauline Blackswan: MESH???? 
[22:57] Sakai Openlife: we're already testing with it 
[22:57] Sakai Openlife: in our office world 
[22:57] Shai Khalifa: you have any idea on what likely cost structure is likely to be? 
[22:57] Sakai Openlife: not yet 
[22:57] Sakai Openlife: but it wouldn't surprise me if it's something like 150cr a model 
[22:57] Shai Khalifa: you know these are things that can and should be on the web - as Thread or section on "what's coming" 
[22:57] Grimley Graves: mesh is using standars 3D file formats to bring in objects 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: collada 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: so you could say 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: go to google sketchup 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: find something you like 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: say taipei 101 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: huge building 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: and import it 
[22:58] Grimley Graves: more versatile than sculpts 
[22:58] Pauline Blackswan: rendering cost for the engine? 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: yes and a little no 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: they are expensive to render 
[22:58] Pauline Blackswan: limit to number of vertex? 
[22:59] Sakai Openlife: and they 'can' be big 
[22:59] Sakai Openlife: at the same time 
[22:59] Sakai Openlife: they are only physical by bounding box 
[22:59] Shai Khalifa: so you use less but use the same resources? 
[22:59] Sakai Openlife: physics for the mesh object is going to be done 'in' the viewer 
[22:59] Sakai Openlife: not in the server 
[22:59] Sakai Openlife: like everything else 
[22:59] Shai Khalifa: ok, so will that have implications for graphics cards? 
[23:00] Shai Khalifa: Hi Melly, come on in 
[23:00] Sakai Openlife: depends on how you use them 
[23:00] Pauline Blackswan: ok i shall throw away my shoes and attach meshes to people? 
[23:00] Melly MooMoo: hi just rezzing :0) 
[23:00] Sakai Openlife: no not necessarily 
[23:00] Grimley Graves: it's a different way to do the same thing Pauline... 
[23:00] Sakai Openlife: its a case of 10 of 1 and 10 of another 
[23:01] Grimley Graves: no need to thro away what you already have 
[23:01] Shai Khalifa: One question I know we'll get is what is the most efficient on viewer/server - sculpts or meshes? 
[23:01] Sakai Openlife: it's not necessarily better or worse 
[23:01] Sakai Openlife: but can be both 
[23:01] Grimley Graves: hi Melly 
[23:01] Melly MooMoo: hey 
[23:01] Sakai Openlife: well take a look at sculpt 
[23:01] Sakai Openlife: as an example 
[23:01] Sakai Openlife: you're quite limited in it's design 
[23:01] Pauline Blackswan: yes 
[23:01] Sakai Openlife: because it always needs to 'wrap' an object 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: but it's quite light 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: for the user to download 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: only a small texture 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: in addition to the regular texture 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: server side 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: when asking for physics 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: on the sculpt 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: it's expensive task 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: but no more expensive 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: if you have 100 if the same 1 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: or just 1 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: but yes quite limiting 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: mesh on the other hand can be large 
[23:03] Grimley Graves: I can see both living happily on the grid at the same time 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: for the user to download 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: let's say tecture was 100kb 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: but model (mesh) 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: is 8Mb 
[23:03] Shai Khalifa: holy cow 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: having a lot of them around 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: might be a 100mb of new download 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: for the user 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: model can be small too though 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: just a few kb 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: so it depends on the complexity of the model 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: they are not limited in the way sculpts are 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: in shape 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: and there's a lot more tools 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: you can use 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: to make them 
[23:04] Shai Khalifa: that was going to be my next question - because small can also be complex and does that have greater impact 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: but 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: as mentioned earlier 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: physics at least initially 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: will only be a bounding boxc 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: so if you needed physics internallu 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: in say a building 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: made from a mesh 
[23:05] Shai Khalifa: ah, so they have to be phantom? 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: model 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: you might want to stick prims in there! 
[23:05] Shai Khalifa: kk - we lived with that in SL with sculpts 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: but in saying that a sculpted house would be pretty terrible 
[23:06] Shai Khalifa: aspects though may be used as mesh - like for stairs, ballistrades etc 
[23:06] Sakai Openlife: so when we get them 
[23:06] Sakai Openlife: and if you use them 
[23:06] Sakai Openlife: it's a case of applying detail 
[23:06] Sakai Openlife: where you want it 
[23:06] Sakai Openlife: and just balancing what you do 
[23:06] Sakai Openlife: *which you already do in existing regions 
[23:07] Sakai Openlife: Hi Melly 
[23:07] Sakai Openlife:  
[23:07] Melly MooMoo: hey :0) 
[23:07] Melly MooMoo: found my way back into openlife :0) 
[23:07] Sakai Openlife: welcome  
[23:08] Melly MooMoo: forgot password of old av.. so have been reborn :0) 
[23:08] Grimley Graves: you show as offline to me melly  
[23:08] Shai Khalifa: So is it possible to get a "what's coming" section on the web? Things for people to anticipate and maybe discuss? 
[23:08] Melly MooMoo: new av grimley 
[23:08] Sakai Openlife: possibly 
[23:08] Sakai Openlife: or we'll jsut write articles 
[23:08] Grimley Graves: ah, ok 
[23:08] Sakai Openlife: it will make sense on monday 
[23:09] Sakai Openlife: when you see the new design 
[23:09] Grimley Graves: speaking of friendslists... 
[23:09] Sakai Openlife: but there is support for articles 
[23:09] Sakai Openlife: and comments 
[23:09] Sakai Openlife: hi clay 
[23:09] Shai Khalifa: hey Clay 
[23:09] Clay Duport: hi all carry on im just lurking 
[23:09] Grimley Graves: can we get an update on whats going on with that 
[23:09] Sakai Openlife: looks like you're ready for the beach 
[23:09] Grimley Graves: hi Clay 
[23:09] Clay Duport: hye grim sai everyone 
[23:09] Pauline Blackswan: hello Clay 
[23:09] Sakai Openlife: with appropriate pose! 
[23:10] Grimley Graves: friendslist will fix a whole slew of issues right now 
[23:10] Melly MooMoo: chilling lol 
[23:10] Clay Duport: pauline  
[23:10] Shai Khalifa: I'll post the chatlog later today for anyone who wants to catch bakc up 
[23:10] Clay Duport: yep 
[23:10] Surreal Numbers: hi melly and clay 
[23:10] Grimley Graves: green dots, edit perms, etc 
[23:10] Melly MooMoo: hey nice to be back 
[23:10] Sakai Openlife: the friends rework 
[23:10] Clay Duport: sur :0 
[23:10] Sakai Openlife: will arrive with the online friending 
[23:10] Sakai Openlife: probably about 1-2 weeks away I would hazard as a guess 
[23:11] Shai Khalifa: ah good, so that also means that you'll be able to accept Friend invitations sent to you while you're offline? 
[23:11] Sakai Openlife: yes on the web 
[23:11] Grimley Graves: can I quote you on that? *POKE* 
[23:11] Sakai Openlife: sure 
[23:11] Shai Khalifa: hehe 
[23:11] Sakai Openlife: so the idea is that you can use that AV search 
[23:11] Grimley Graves: in other words we will keep poking to keep you focused LOL 
[23:11] Sakai Openlife: and friend someone there 
[23:11] Grimley Graves: hey Baj 
[23:11] Sakai Openlife: as well as in world 
[23:11] Shai Khalifa: g'day Baj 
[23:12] Sakai Openlife: so you can see we're trying to make transparency between in world and out 
[23:12] Sakai Openlife: handy if you're somewhere on your phone etc 
[23:12] Melly MooMoo: just going to try old avie again.. be right back :0) 
[23:12] Shai Khalifa: OracL is currently offline by the way - so the chat log will have to be a loooooooong post on the forum 
[23:13] Clay Duport: works for me shai 
[23:13] Sakai Openlife: another item in our long post 
[23:13] Grimley Graves: thats nice, but concentrating on the inworld experiance should be the priority 
[23:13] Sakai Openlife: they go together grims 
[23:13] Grimley Graves: if it comes hand in hand then cool 
[23:13] Sakai Openlife: and in the viewer behind me 
[23:13] Sakai Openlife: a large amount of web 
[23:13] Sakai Openlife: is actually pulled into the viewer 
[23:13] Sakai Openlife: blending it even further 
[23:14] Sakai Openlife: hi there Bajaron 
[23:14] Shai Khalifa: will we also have those icons that represent groups of objects (in inventory) - sorry, can't remember the correct term 
[23:14] bajaron tacho: hello! 
[23:14] Sakai Openlife: yes caollescing 
[23:14] Sakai Openlife: coa 
[23:14] Shai Khalifa: that's it 
[23:14] Shai Khalifa: I've been asking about them now for about 2 and half years 
[23:14] Sakai Openlife: we've got it working in 2 styles atm 
[23:14] Sakai Openlife: in the pffworld beta 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: offworld 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: for us 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: we still need to decide on which method 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: is best 
[23:15] Pauline Blackswan: well guys i am so sorry because today's meeting is very interesting but my brain has already taken the "road to bed" 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: and then get to testing 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: nps pauline 
[23:15] Shai Khalifa: and the thing that goes hand in hand with them is that when you rez an item it remains selected in Edit mode 
[23:15] Clay Duport: lol pauline good nighty 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: glad we could demo the clothes with you today 
[23:15] Grimley Graves: we can send you a log if you want Pauline 
[23:15] Shai Khalifa: hehe Pauline, coffee wearing off now? 
[23:16] Clay Duport: no whisky kicking in  
[23:16] Sakai Openlife: it's the viewer 
[23:16] Sakai Openlife: that decides it's in select 
[23:16] Shai Khalifa: hehe 
[23:16] Pauline Blackswan: take care friends and yes Grimley pls, at least teh part i will miss from now 
[23:16] Pauline Blackswan: ciao 
[23:16] Shai Khalifa: cos it would be great if that were the default 
[23:16] Grimley Graves: ok, will do 
[23:16] bajaron tacho: see ya pauline 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: we will probably have klee in an upcoming meet 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: to explain a lot more about his funky bits 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: that will be in the viewer 
[23:17] Shai Khalifa: ah good - be good to see him again 
[23:17] Grimley Graves: when will the new viewer hit? 
[23:17] Shai Khalifa: hehe - wonder if he includes submarines 
[23:17] Grimley Graves: and will it be required? 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: i can say for sure but 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: it will be required 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: it's quite a few generations ahead of this 
[23:17] Grimley Graves: ok 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: and a world update is also in order too 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: but i would 'expect' it 
[23:18] Shai Khalifa: that's not onerous though - we've had this viewer for over a year 
[23:18] Grimley Graves: world update?!?! 
[23:18] Grimley Graves: *GULP* 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: yes because the image behind me i took 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: when i was with you here 
[23:18] Shai Khalifa hangs on to Grims 
[23:18] Clay Duport: lol big ball to play with grim 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: appearance and things like this 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: are different 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: because you an wear 3 shirts 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: or 4 attachments on the same point etc 
[23:19] Sakai Openlife: it's because it's such a huge update 
[23:19] Sakai Openlife: i can't put an exact day on it yet 
[23:19] Shai Khalifa: looks all grey to me - with cloud avatars 
[23:19] Sakai Openlife: because it's just not something we can rush out 
[23:19] Sakai Openlife: yes because that's connected to here Shai 
[23:19] Grimley Graves: oh noes :S didn't we just go thru that LOL 
[23:19] Shai Khalifa: ah kk 
[23:19] Sakai Openlife: and we're not up to 0.8.9 series in world yet 
[23:20] Sakai Openlife: we're on 0.8.4.9 
[23:20] Grimley Graves: so it needs 8.9? 
[23:20] Sakai Openlife: yep 
[23:20] Shai Khalifa: Sakai you will go slowly slowly for us for a little while won't you? 
[23:20] Grimley Graves: ok, so awhile from now 
[23:20] Shai Khalifa: we all need a breather 
[23:20] Sakai Openlife: you know us we have to keep improving 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: u find things 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: we fix em 
[23:21] Grimley Graves: yes, please, let us test things before changing too much 
[23:21] Shai Khalifa: yes, but we've been throught he mill just the last few months 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: and make em better 
[23:21] Shai Khalifa: and it's a wonder a few of us sitting here are actually STILL here 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: it's a pretty big jump indeed 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: but 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: considering the recent experience 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: you know we'll be a ton more thorough 
[23:22] Shai Khalifa: I'd rather we didn't get the new viewer till Christmas 
[23:22] Grimley Graves: of 2030 
[23:22] Sakai Openlife: haha 
[23:22] Grimley Graves: lol 
[23:22] bajaron tacho: heh 
[23:22] Shai Khalifa: if it meant some predictability and population growth 
[23:22] Sakai Openlife: well we have a good stable platform atm 
[23:22] Sakai Openlife: behind me you can see only a few items 
[23:22] Sakai Openlife: that need to be brought up 
[23:23] Sakai Openlife: so it's not like we're ripping the guts out and replacing them 
[23:23] Sakai Openlife: a lot fo the recent large changes are all targets for version 1.0 
[23:23] Sakai Openlife: ie the asset system is here 
[23:23] Sakai Openlife: it can be improveed but it won't be replaced 
[23:24] Shai Khalifa: the cloud seems to be behaving now too 
[23:24] Sakai Openlife: we did remarkable well the the primitve old one we had for 3+yrs 
[23:24] Grimley Graves: as long as it works and isn't losing things 
[23:24] Sakai Openlife: it's actually an awful lot safer 
[23:24] Sakai Openlife: *which to us is a big deal 
[23:24] Grimley Graves: us too 
[23:24] Shai Khalifa nods 
[23:25] Sakai Openlife: missing a single texture is nothing to losing the whole world 
[23:25] Grimley Graves: true 
[23:25] Shai Khalifa: gulp 
[23:25] Sakai Openlife: it's also given us new abilities 
[23:25] Sakai Openlife:  
[23:25] Sakai Openlife: liek those web bits i was metnioning earlier 
[23:26] Sakai Openlife: for the default av Q that you asked me earlier yes 
[23:26] Sakai Openlife: we're ready 
[23:26] Sakai Openlife: to do it 
[23:26] Shai Khalifa: Well Sakai, if you can get out there and promote us and get our numbers up and stable for us - we're doing our bit 
[23:26] Sakai Openlife: Shai and co were putting together some new av's 
[23:26] Shai Khalifa: ah yes, Caro and Pauline and I are working on it 
[23:26] Shai Khalifa: but the latest little hiccup was the clothing textures thing 
[23:26] bajaron tacho: I didn't want to break into the train of the conversation but is it OK to promote OPENLIFE to others rightnow? 
[23:26] Sakai Openlife: yes 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: no worries bajaron 
[23:27] Shai Khalifa: yesyes Baj 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: actually 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: the big answer is yes 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: but 
[23:27] bajaron tacho: k 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: I would say from monday 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: because actually openlife will become 3DMee 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: from monday 
[23:27] Shai Khalifa: I'll put the log of the entire meeting up on the forum later, so you can read back about what we've been saying 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: so on Monday we deliver a new site 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: new brand 
[23:27] Melly MooMoo: thank you shai :0) 
[23:27] bajaron tacho: k thanks 'cause I just got home from work heh 
[23:28] Sakai Openlife: and we start shining to the rest of the non-3d world 
[23:28] bajaron tacho: our existing parcels will be OK? 
[23:28] Sakai Openlife: yep 
[23:28] Clay Duport: that is critical sakai. we have are losing the battle with new people 
[23:28] Sakai Openlife: everything will be here 
[23:28] Shai Khalifa: we just have a new name Baj 
[23:28] Sakai Openlife: even i will be here 
[23:28] bajaron tacho: k 
[23:28] Sakai Openlife: but I'm not sure about my last name 
[23:28] Sakai Openlife: lol 
[23:29] Shai Khalifa: hehe - deed poll 
[23:29] Clay Duport: mastet will do 
[23:29] Clay Duport: master 
[23:29] Shai Khalifa: well I've named the quiz game QMee 
[23:29] Sakai Openlife: i could rename myself as fish hit 
[23:29] Sakai Openlife: for a while 
[23:29] Shai Khalifa: in honour of the new tag 
[23:29] Sakai Openlife: seeing as i have been hit by a fish the last few weeks 
[23:29] Sakai Openlife: (sometimes deservingly so) 
[23:29] Shai Khalifa throws Sakai a mullet 
[23:29] Clay Duport: its not all your fault 
[23:30] Sakai Openlife: but we're excited 
[23:30] Clay Duport: ot the team 
[23:30] Sakai Openlife: and we think we can excite you with it too 
[23:30] Melly MooMoo: sounds good :0) 
[23:30] Shai Khalifa: one thing that really irks me though - is the pink and blue in the 'e's 
[23:30] Sakai Openlife: yeah we just want you to have fun 
[23:30] Shai Khalifa: that's soooooooooooooo bad 
[23:30] Grimley Graves: well, communicating the good things to the forums will really help calm the fears of us 
[23:30] Sakai Openlife: the blue and pink in the e's? 
[23:30] Sakai Openlife: lol 
[23:30] Shai Khalifa nods to Grims 
[23:30] Sakai Openlife: what should they be? 
[23:31] Grimley Graves: both pink 
[23:31] Sakai Openlife: y? 
[23:31] Grimley Graves:  
[23:31] Melly MooMoo: where can i find the forums.. on the main web page?? 
[23:31] Shai Khalifa: anything but something as obviously sexist 
[23:31] Sakai Openlife: maybe they should rotate? 
[23:31] Clay Duport: yes main web 
[23:31] Melly MooMoo: ty 
[23:31] Grimley Graves: because Shai sooo loves pink  
[23:31] Shai Khalifa: the link's in the menu Melly 
[23:31] Clay Duport: or in manage your account 
[23:31] Sakai Openlife: all pink all blue 
[23:31] Melly MooMoo: coolio ty 
[23:31] Sakai Openlife: pink and blue 
[23:31] Sakai Openlife: the odd purple 
[23:31] Shai Khalifa: all blue 
[23:31] Shai Khalifa: blue 
[23:31] Sakai Openlife: hehe 
[23:31] Shai Khalifa: purple 
[23:31] Grimley Graves: how about eyes? 
[23:31] Shai Khalifa: eyes is good 
[23:32] Grimley Graves: or is that too creepy? 
[23:32] Sakai Openlife: if i ever find some of the candidates 
[23:32] Sakai Openlife: we have for it 
[23:32] Clay Duport: grim cadavers dont need eyes 
[23:32] Sakai Openlife: rumbling around my notebook 
[23:32] Shai Khalifa: you're the creepiest thing we have on the grid Grims 
[23:32] Sakai Openlife: I think you'll agree that pink and blue was best 
[23:32] Grimley Graves: pssh 
[23:32] Shai Khalifa: nooooo, not pink AND blue 
[23:32] Sakai Openlife: a little color that actually lets us 
[23:32] Sakai Openlife: put more color into pages 
[23:33] Sakai Openlife: which is why those 3dmee pages look so rich na dinviting 
[23:33] Clay Duport: grim is the example of what too much wine women and song to you you 
[23:33] Sakai Openlife: *as you'll get to see on monday 
[23:33] Shai Khalifa: just not the iconic use of pink and blue 
[23:33] Melly MooMoo: lol @ clay 
[23:33] Grimley Graves: or not enough  
[23:33] bajaron tacho: or pina coladas, like I have right now lol 
[23:33] Shai Khalifa: lol 
[23:33] Clay Duport: margarita here 
[23:33] Shai Khalifa: ooooo, one for me too Baj - omg one of them too Clay 
[23:34] Grimley Graves: ok, we have covered the texture bug, search, friends lists, and the new viewer... 
[23:34] Shai Khalifa: they're the best thing about the Margueritavilles 
[23:34] Shai Khalifa: green dots 
[23:34] Grimley Graves: last thing on my list is welcome island (broken record I know) 
[23:34] Sakai Openlife: someone should at least give us glue kudos 
[23:34] Sakai Openlife: that i can pass back to the team 
[23:34] Clay Duport: and false number of people on regions 
[23:34] Shai Khalifa: sorry, I know Grims raised them earlier 
[23:34] Grimley Graves: glue? 
[23:35] Sakai Openlife: *stuck bug 
[23:35] Grimley Graves: ah, ok 
[23:35] Shai Khalifa: hehe - mate that one does truly deserve a medal for you guys 
[23:35] Grimley Graves: well, give them kudos for every bug they squash  
[23:35] Sakai Openlife: you should 
[23:35] Grimley Graves: but extra for that one 
[23:35] Sakai Openlife: it energizes them 
[23:35] Sakai Openlife: I'm sure 
[23:35] Shai Khalifa: hehe, we do, we do 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: well like us 
[23:36] Clay Duport: well most of the time 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: same advice 
[23:36] Shai Khalifa: and if we could do that in The Kitchen we would I"m sure 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: hit the forum 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: and tell em  
[23:36] Clay Duport: some times we do curse you  
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: yes we see that 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: lol 
[23:36] Clay Duport: but it is all in growing pains 
[23:36] Shai Khalifa: can we give kudos in the The Kitchen? 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: unfortunately we can't 
[23:36] Shai Khalifa: awww 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: but you can kudos the forums 

ATTACHMENT ISSUE 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: I should quickly say about the attachment issue 
[23:37] Clay Duport: why not a message base to the team 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: y it occurrs 
[23:37] Clay Duport: like contacrt us thingy 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: and *fixed in part b 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: update 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: so you only saw this issue 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: if you tp'd away 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: or logoff quickly 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: after editing attachment 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: the previous behaviour 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: was that every change you made 
[23:37] Shai Khalifa: ah, so it was remembering it's rezzed position? 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: to an attachment 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: it would make a new asset 
[23:38] Clay Duport: is there a reason for long delays when you log on for ability to see about land items 
[23:38] Clay Duport: or start music etc 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: which is simple 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: but not ideal 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: and the reason is say 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: i edit a little 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: then edit a bit more 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: and a bit more 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: as we o 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: when we fidddle with attachments 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: i might have made say 10-15 assets 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: that will never see the light of day 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: because i edited it again 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: so only the last asset i made 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: when i edited 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: is useful 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: the rest 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: just became bloat 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: in the asset system 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: *orphans* 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: when we switched to the new system 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: this bloat is gone 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: because we look for finalization 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: + grace time 
[23:40] Shai Khalifa: ahhhh - now it makes sense 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: as we found in our stats 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: that when you edited things 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: you did it alot 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: and not always the same thing 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: so atm 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: if you were editing attachments 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: then did some other things in your region 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: for a few minutes it would be fine 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: when u came back 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: but under 'some' cases 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: if u tp'd away 
[23:41] Shai Khalifa: or crashed 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: or logged off 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: or even viewer crash 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: they would not 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: in part B update 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: that is likely later this afternoon 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: we have already identified those scenarios 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: and accounted for them 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: so in 99% of cases it should be as expected 
[23:41] Grimley Graves: please, please, please post this kind of info to the forums? it would be sooo welcome 
[23:41] Shai Khalifa: that's your 'afternoon'? 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: yeah so in about 8hrs 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: we try to do updates 
[23:42] Grimley Graves: just so we can understand how the system works 
[23:42] Sakai Openlife: around 8-9am utc 
[23:42] Shai Khalifa: yes, this is exactly that sort of thing you guys should put up in the forum - that we can then reference to others 
[23:42] Sakai Openlife: *as this is usually the quietest time 
[23:42] Shai Khalifa: hehe, it's often just me and Surreal or just me online then 
[23:42] Sakai Openlife: because we don't want to interrupt peak times etc 
[23:43] Grimley Graves: maybe create a new section in the forums called "how the world works" 
[23:43] Sakai Openlife: my last thing 
[23:43] Sakai Openlife: i had in my notes to mention 
[23:43] Shai Khalifa nods to Grims 

MAINLAND AS BETA TESTING AREA 

[23:43] Sakai Openlife: was we were thinking of making a ring of fire 
[23:43] Grimley Graves: with nice explainations of how stuff functions 
[23:43] Sakai Openlife: a set of regions in openlife 
[23:43] Sakai Openlife: that are a revision ahead 
[23:43] Shai Khalifa: you're singing Johnny Cash songs now? 
[23:44] Melly MooMoo: lol was gonna say that shai 
[23:44] Sakai Openlife: so that we would deploy live test 
[23:44] Sakai Openlife: to these regions first 
[23:44] Sakai Openlife: before to everyone else 
[23:44] Grimley Graves: how about making it a new mainland??? 
[23:44] Shai Khalifa: coolies - so we can help you test out too? 
[23:44] Clay Duport: yes 
[23:44] Grimley Graves: thats another thing that people seem to want 
[23:44] Sakai Openlife: well for us to do it 
[23:44] Clay Duport: preview regions 
[23:44] Sakai Openlife: it would need to be user input 
[23:45] Sakai Openlife: so we were thinking something like $20 regions 
[23:45] Sakai Openlife: in a limited qty 
[23:45] Sakai Openlife: as part of the ring of fire 
[23:45] Shai Khalifa: that would work for mainland regions - with no choice of location 
[23:45] Grimley Graves: yes, as a big mainland area 
[23:45] Sakai Openlife: it would literally be a riing 
[23:45] Clay Duport: brings up a question i have are lite regions a thing of the past 
[23:45] Sakai Openlife: of 16 regions 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: *I'll answer that in a moment 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: the reason for the $20 
[23:46] Shai Khalifa: I was under the impression lite regions were coming with the new viewer 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: is that they may have broken function 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: they will get updated 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: frequently 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: and at inopportune times 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: with little to no notice 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: but cheap 
[23:46] Shai Khalifa: if people knew that when they bought them - that they were testing regions 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: so that would pay the budget to get them online 
[23:46] Shai Khalifa: I'm sure they'd still sell 
[23:47] Sakai Openlife: the names would also be fixed 
[23:47] Sakai Openlife: ie ROFTest 01 
[23:47] Sakai Openlife: etc 
[23:47] Sakai Openlife: not pretty 
[23:47] Sakai Openlife: they would also run heavy debug 
[23:47] Shai Khalifa: hehe, but they'd make good entry level for a number of people 
[23:47] bajaron tacho: I was thinking along the same lines as an option to attract new folks ... the ability to purchase a smaller parcel .. it might be a good incentive for new folks ... but might be a lot of overheads on existing servers 

LITE REGIONS 

[23:48] Sakai Openlife: about lite regions... 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: we haven't forgotten them, 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: Northern next door 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: is actually a running lite region 
[23:48] Clay Duport: kool 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: there is an update coming to the web 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: besides the 3dmee stuff 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: that changes the land store 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: so that we can get location in there 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: too 
[23:48] Shai Khalifa: yay 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: and some room for future options 
[23:49] Sakai Openlife: when we do this update 
[23:49] Sakai Openlife: we will release lite regions 
[23:49] Sakai Openlife: *this all ties in with the 3dmee puch 
[23:49] Sakai Openlife: push 
[23:49] Sakai Openlife: we think $29.95 rghions 
[23:49] Sakai Openlife: are a good entry level 
[23:50] Shai Khalifa: yep, good for existing region owners too 
[23:52] bajaron tacho: I am online almost everyday ... will be glad to help out where I can ... 
[23:52] Grimley Graves: problem Clay ?LOL 
[23:52] Shai Khalifa: you doing any specials to coincide with the new name? 
[23:52] Clay Duport: nope just lost 
[23:52] Sakai Openlife: we have the new bundle 
[23:52] Sakai Openlife: of 2 months + credits 
[23:53] Sakai Openlife: http://openlifegrid.com/VirtualLand 

PREMIUM UPLOADS ISSUE 

[23:53] Grimley Graves: oh, anyone else having trouble with the premium uploads?? 
[23:53] Sakai Openlife: what is the trouble? 
[23:53] Shai Khalifa: no, mine seem to be counting ok 
[23:53] Grimley Graves: I'm being charged and I'm sure I havent used my allotment yet 
[23:54] Sakai Openlife: I can take a look 
[23:54] Sakai Openlife: 1 mom 
[23:55] Shai Khalifa: Surreal is there a theme for VLE this week? 
[23:56] Sakai Openlife: 32 left 
[23:57] Grimley Graves: thats what I thought but I have been charged for the last few days 
[23:57] Grimley Graves: since the update 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: bulk upload? 
[23:58] Grimley Graves: both 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: i see 3 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: in tx 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: 7/28 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: 9.45 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: were they bulk upload? 
[23:58] You paid C 5 to upload. 
[23:58] Upload Completed, new item added to inventory! 
[23:58] Shai Khalifa: ah, actually, I just uploaded a single image and was charged for it 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: indeed 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: i see that 
[23:59] Sakai Openlife: ok I'll find out why after the meet 
[23:59] Shai Khalifa: kk 
[23:59] Sakai Openlife: we can include whatever it is 
[23:59] Shai Khalifa: hehe, nothing like instant testing 
[23:59] Sakai Openlife: in the update later today 
[23:59] Grimley Graves: I have 2 on the 25th, 3 on the 26th, one on the 27th, and three today 
[23:59] Grimley Graves: so both bulk and single 
[23:59] Shai Khalifa: ta Sakai 
[23:59] bajaron tacho: I think I recall reading that the game may be able to upload OGRE mesh objects ... is this still in the works? 
[0:00] Sakai Openlife: definately 
[0:00] bajaron tacho: a future feature, that is 
[0:00] Sakai Openlife: it will happen 
[0:00] Grimley Graves: oh, sheesh, thanks but the credits arent that important 
[0:00] Sakai Openlife: its already happenning in testing atm 
[0:00] Grimley Graves: just wanted you to be aware 
[0:00] Sakai Openlife: just not released 
[0:01] Clay Duport: is contact us not working sakai i h ave a panic situration but no responses 
[0:01] Sakai Openlife: panic into my IM 
[0:01] Sakai Openlife: *even now if you like 
[0:01] bajaron tacho: hmm wife is pouring another pina coldad heh may not be much use in the meeting if this keeps up 
[0:01] Clay Duport: or when we finish 
[0:01] Melly MooMoo: Right.. must go to bed as 1am here for me.. so nice ot be back and hopefully have more of an explore tomorrow x Night all ;0) 
[0:02] Sakai Openlife: 8am here 
[0:02] Sakai Openlife: far too early for pina coladas 
[0:02] Grimley Graves: nite Melly 
[0:02] Shai Khalifa: hehe Baj 
[0:02] Surreal Numbers: good night. sleep well 
[0:02] Shai Khalifa: ok Melly, sleep well 
[0:02] Sakai Openlife: ciao melly nice to meet you 
[0:02] Melly MooMoo: :0) 
[0:02] bajaron tacho: 5 pm here ... 

THE MISSING NITI 

[0:02] Grimley Graves: BTW, has anyone heard from Niti lately? I'm kinda worried 
[0:02] Shai Khalifa: 10am here 
[0:02] Sakai Openlife: but the weather has been nice and warm lately 
[0:02] Sakai Openlife:  
[0:02] Sakai Openlife: good evenings for a drink outside 
[0:02] Shai Khalifa: I was wondering - not seen or heard for ages 
[0:03] bajaron tacho: I will get back to some folks I have been telling about the game ... maybe wait a few days for dust to settle on update(s) 
[0:03] Shai Khalifa: Niti's usually commenting on Forum even not if inworld 
[0:03] Shai Khalifa: coolies Baj 
[0:03] Shai Khalifa: let us know if there's anything we can do to help 
[0:03] Sakai Openlife: yes niti is usually our chattering horse 
[0:04] bajaron tacho: sure thing .. and let me know if I can help too 
[0:04] Shai Khalifa: always ready with little quips 
[0:04] Grimley Graves: I tracked down a website for him but I dont know how up to date it is 
[0:04] Grimley Graves: seems old 
[0:04] Grimley Graves: I posted to his guestbook 
[0:04] Shai Khalifa: yes, he's got a blog I've looked at before 
[0:05] Grimley Graves: but the e-mail there bounces 
[0:05] Shai Khalifa:  
[0:05] Grimley Graves: hope everything is ok with him 
[0:05] Shai Khalifa: he's disappeared before though, then come back again after a bit 
[0:05] Shai Khalifa: summer up there in the far north, so he may be busy 
[0:06] Shai Khalifa: soaking up whatever equates to warmth while it's there 
[0:07] Grimley Graves: hope so, it would just be nice to know that everything is ok 
[0:07] Grimley Graves: I miss the bad puns  
[0:07] Shai Khalifa: hehe, must admit I miss that image of Niti's be-costumed horse avatar doing the bellydance anims at VLE 
[0:09] Grimley Graves: was there any further info on the welcome island build? 
[0:09] bajaron tacho: I will log for a bit ... will be online a little later .. thanks Sakai, for taking the time to let us know what is happening in the game 
[0:09] Sakai Openlife: sorry afk just a momrnt 
[0:09] Surreal Numbers: take care Baja. 
[0:09] Grimley Graves: hey Baj 
[0:10] Grimley Graves: whats your region name? 
[0:10] bajaron tacho: see you folks later have a good oen 
[0:10] Shai Khalifa: kk Baj, catchya 
[0:10] bajaron tacho: mine is RSbar 
[0:10] bajaron tacho: named ofter oregon property 
[0:10] Grimley Graves: cool, I'll stop by for a visit 
[0:11] Shai Khalifa: um, anyone who wants to buy Jon's animals, I'd suggest you get to them soon 
[0:12] Shai Khalifa: I'll get him to create a new Zoo probably on Creek or on a deck above Phaedran 
[0:12] Aerovamon Aionia: time for me to leave.... bye bye guys  
[0:12] Surreal Numbers: that would be helpful shai. 
[0:13] Shai Khalifa: but he's away in the far north Aus at the moment so that won't happen for a few months 
[0:13] Surreal Numbers: bye Aero. 
[0:13] Shai Khalifa: cya Aero 
[0:13] Shai Khalifa: take care 
[0:14] Sakai Openlife: back 
[0:14] Grimley Graves: so tropicana is definatly going away Shai? 
[0:14] Shai Khalifa: wb 
[0:14] Sakai Openlife: we have a bit of forum cleaning to do too 
[0:14] Shai Khalifa: yes, I can't justify the cost any longer - kids are costing me way too much 
[0:14] Sakai Openlife: likely we'll clean out very old posts 
[0:15] Grimley Graves: charge em rent LOL 
[0:15] Sakai Openlife: and a few sections 
[0:15] Shai Khalifa: hehe 
[0:15] Sakai Openlife: my parents charged rent 
[0:15] Clay Duport: ok im sorry its my fault 
[0:15] Grimley Graves: so, welcome island Sakai? 
[0:15] Sakai Openlife: to my brothers and sisters 
[0:15] Sakai Openlife: (sister) 
[0:15] Clay Duport: was griping to sakai and he booted us all 
[0:15] Clay Duport: lol 
[0:15] Shai Khalifa: lol, I do charge them rent - but they students 
[0:16] Clay Duport: kidding of course 
[0:16] Sakai Openlife: yes I'm here 
[0:16] Grimley Graves: students?? 
[0:16] Sakai Openlife: yes probably wednesday 
[0:16] Grimley Graves: double the rent 
[0:16] Sakai Openlife: sometime abouts next week 
[0:16] Shai Khalifa: yeah daughter at uni and granddaughter high school 
[0:16] Sakai Openlife: we can get in there with all the new tectures 
[0:16] Sakai Openlife: and stuff 
[0:16] Clay Duport: was kidding not griping lol 
[0:16] Shai Khalifa: ah cool, will be good to see WI done 
[0:17] Sakai Openlife: yeah you know our focus was on 0849 
[0:17] Grimley Graves: yeah, WI needs to be able to work without anyone helping newbies 
[0:17] Sakai Openlife: been a lot of tired demoralizing days this month 
[0:17] Grimley Graves: yes, we know that 
[0:17] Shai Khalifa nods vigourously 
[0:17] Grimley Graves: but it is important for the overall feel of new residenst 
[0:17] Shai Khalifa: it's hard for those of us who advocate too 
[0:18] Sakai Openlife: sure 
[0:18] Grimley Graves: and we aren't always available to help 
[0:18] Shai Khalifa: I've had more than one accusation made that I"m something of a devotee 
[0:18] Sakai Openlife: well with all the new users lately i think we also want to up the ante 
[0:19] Shai Khalifa: water of this duck's back - but that attitude is out there 
[0:19] Sakai Openlife: and 3dmee is a great time to do it 
[0:19] Clay Duport: well it beats being called a addict 
[0:19] Shai Khalifa: lol 
[0:19] Sakai Openlife: lol - i don't see a ton of ppl being attacked for using facebook 
[0:19] Sakai Openlife: so i qould question the motive 
[0:20] Sakai Openlife: we're here to have fun and enjoy our virtual life 
[0:20] Clay Duport: jealousy ? maybe 
[0:20] Sakai Openlife: possibly who knows 
[0:20] Clay Duport: in ability to break of the SL shell 
[0:20] Sakai Openlife: I know we've got an extremely committed team on our end 
[0:20] Clay Duport: inability to break out 
[0:21] Sakai Openlife: myself included I'm very passionate about this 
[0:21] Clay Duport: of sl shell 
[0:21] Grimley Graves: well, there are a lot of negative, even nasty, posts about us out there 
[0:21] Clay Duport: we all are sakai just some times i get tired 
[0:21] Sakai Openlife: and really why not 
[0:21] Sakai Openlife: I'm allowed to be 
[0:21] Grimley Graves: but most are in the 2009 era 
[0:21] Sakai Openlife: yes well just take a look at the names 
[0:22] Grimley Graves: but they still come up when you google openlife :/ 
[0:22] Sakai Openlife: and take a look at the names of ppl trying to run competing worlds 
[0:22] Grimley Graves: yep, disgruntled old users 
[0:22] Sakai Openlife: and they don't when you search 3dmee :p 
[0:22] Clay Duport: a few of the other worlds are part of the problem they are so stuck on opensim SL style they cant see any competition from a new world 
[0:22] Sakai Openlife: someone point me to a single post where I'm slagging off os 
[0:22] Clay Duport: if that makes any sense 
[0:23] Sakai Openlife: or sl 
[0:23] Sakai Openlife: or any other VW 
[0:23] Sakai Openlife: they don't exist 
[0:23] Sakai Openlife: and they don't exist because we focus on what we do 
[0:23] Clay Duport: no but you are not them they are too closed to see anything new 
[0:23] Grimley Graves: true, but like in politics, the high road doesn't get the attention... sadly 
[0:23] Shai Khalifa: yep, and that's a strength you can draw on 
[0:23] Sakai Openlife: it doesn't you're right grims 
[0:24] Sakai Openlife: but at least i feel good about what i do 
[0:24] Shai Khalifa: actually, from speaking with new people, they seem to be looking for something outside the SL paradigm 
[0:24] Clay Duport: and we do too 
[0:24] Grimley Graves: and you should 
[0:24] Shai Khalifa: and that's the niche we fill atm 
[0:24] Sakai Openlife: and i nthink there's probably a millino more users like you guys out there 
[0:24] Grimley Graves: we can all help by posting stuff about OL/3dmee out there 
[0:24] Sakai Openlife: we just need to connect with them 
[0:24] Clay Duport: i spent 6 years on sl and only saw govenor linden once and he wouldn even speak to me 
[0:25] Shai Khalifa: Sakai if you can let us know where you get into blogs and things, we can all get in and comment 
[0:25] Clay Duport: i see or hear you seversl time in a month 
[0:25] Sakai Openlife: some of the major vw places will carry about us 
[0:25] Grimley Graves: just google or bing the name 
[0:25] Sakai Openlife: we're already working on a few 
[0:25] Grimley Graves: you'll find lots of blogs 
[0:25] Sakai Openlife: releases for them 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: but we are looking at alternate places 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: non the sl circles too 
[0:26] Shai Khalifa: are you a member of the Virtuall Worlds Association? 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: *i found sl through cnn ? 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: lol 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: who knows but it wasn't a vw thing 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: and i think there's still many millions of ppl out there 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: that are new 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: that can be tapped 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: and would enjoy it 
[0:27] Shai Khalifa: that Association is huge, and is not just about SL platform 
[0:27] Clay Duport: lol i first heard of secone life from a naked avatar in "the sims online" : really that true 
[0:27] Sakai Openlife: hehe 
[0:27] Grimley Graves: true, but the majority of newbies are from SL 
[0:27] Shai Khalifa: it's a professional Association for those who use virtual for communication 
[0:27] Clay Duport: yes sl lis losing people faster than we are  
[0:27] Clay Duport: of course they have more to lose 
[0:27] Shai Khalifa: SL currently has nasty problems with inventory and communications 
[0:27] Sakai Openlife: heeh 
[0:28] Grimley Graves: nothing new 
[0:28] Clay Duport: no comment 
[0:28] Shai Khalifa: no, but people are getting totally fed up 
[0:28] Sakai Openlife: we've been wanting to do the asset thing for a long time 
[0:28] Sakai Openlife: I thiknk that's no secret 
[0:28] Sakai Openlife: we did it 
[0:28] Sakai Openlife: a little pain 
[0:28] Sakai Openlife: but it's done 
[0:28] Shai Khalifa: we should be leveraging off that - if our comms and inventory are stable 
[0:28] Sakai Openlife: they are very stable 
[0:28] Grimley Graves: hopefully all the bugs are squashed 
[0:29] Clay Duport: you at least brought us in when you were ground floor develpment so we all feel a part of the base of OLG 
[0:29] Grimley Graves: time will tell 
[0:29] Clay Duport: even when were mad at you  
[0:29] Sakai Openlife: ah well 
[0:29] Sakai Openlife: I can only try harder 
[0:29] Shai Khalifa: hehe Clay 
[0:29] Grimley Graves: and we'll try to keep you focused 
[0:30] Clay Duport: ok ive kissed up enough tonight sakai get the grid fixed lol 
[0:30] Shai Khalifa nods 
[0:30] Shai Khalifa: roflmao 
[0:30] Sakai Openlife: i would just comment post up some good things too 
[0:30] Grimley Graves: even if it sounds like a broken record  
[0:30] Sakai Openlife: i think once we hit 3dmee 
[0:30] Grimley Graves: thats a good point 
[0:30] Sakai Openlife: name drop it 
[0:30] Sakai Openlife: anywhere 
[0:30] Sakai Openlife: everywhere 
[0:30] Grimley Graves: we should post kudos as well as complaints 
[0:30] Clay Duport: other worlds can scrath my 3dEE 
[0:30] Grimley Graves: only fair 
[0:31] Shai Khalifa: hehe 
[0:31] Shai Khalifa: we'll you'll be able to play QMee on 3DMee 
[0:31] Clay Duport: can we make little 3dee's 
[0:31] Grimley Graves: anything else pressing folks?, stomachs growling here 
[0:31] Sakai Openlife: so QMee 
[0:31] Sakai Openlife: whaat is it? 
[0:31] Clay Duport: go feed 
[0:31] Shai Khalifa: it's a quiz 
[0:32] Grimley Graves: ok, I'll send Pauline a copy of the log 
[0:32] Shai Khalifa: I'm just finalising a couple of scripts and anims 
[0:32] Shai Khalifa: then we're ready to go 
[0:32] Sakai Openlife: coolios 
[0:32] Sakai Openlife: well 

3DX OFFICE ON THE MOVE AGAIN 

[0:32] Sakai Openlife: I got a full plate here today too 
[0:32] Sakai Openlife: our lease runs out this weekend 
[0:32] Shai Khalifa: I'll put full log up on my OracL thread 
[0:32] Sakai Openlife: so we need to move office too 
[0:32] Shai Khalifa: omg, they don't let you stay? 
[0:33] Sakai Openlife: this place needs a bit of work 
[0:33] Shai Khalifa: seems like only a couple of weeks ago you guys moved iln there 
[0:33] Shai Khalifa: on the top floor 
[0:33] Sakai Openlife: 2yrs ago 
[0:33] Sakai Openlife: thereabouts 
[0:33] Shai Khalifa: you staying in tech park area? 
[0:33] Sakai Openlife: yeah still in the city 
[0:33] Sakai Openlife: not far 
[0:33] Sakai Openlife: easy to move 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: most things are already established 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: so we'll just plug computers in over there 
[0:34] Shai Khalifa: cool 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: and we're good to go 
[0:34] Shai Khalifa: I guess we all start planning the 4th birthday party soon too 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: shouldn't take more than abotu 3-4hrs tommorrow to complete 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: yeah 
[0:34] Clay Duport: i keep getting booted so im going to go chase the wife around the coffee table for a while later all get som rest sakai 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: for sure 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: np's take care clay 
[0:35] Shai Khalifa: lol, cya Clay and say Hi to Leane for me when you catch her 
[0:35] Sakai Openlife: i gotta go look at this upload thing 
[0:35] Sakai Openlife: (charge) 
[0:35] Shai Khalifa: kk mate 
[0:35] Sakai Openlife: have fun everyone 
[0:35] Grimley Graves: see ya Clay 
[0:35] Grimley Graves: Sakai 
[0:35] Shai Khalifa: thanks for your time today again 
[0:35] Grimley Graves: and I'm off too 
[0:35] Shai Khalifa: much appreciated 
[0:35] Shai Khalifa: me too