[21:37]  Pauline Blackswan: so Sakai any good news for the 3DMee folks?

[21:38]  Sakai Openlife: so I'll quickly fill in with what we've been this last week

[21:38]  Charli Darkwing: im ok for now, but i get them all the time, its part of my illness

[21:38]  Sakai Openlife: I've been trying to make an extra effort to drop into welcome daily and do a little prim making

[21:38]  Sakai Openlife: so it's evolving

[21:38]  Sakai Openlife: (which is good)

[21:38]  Shai Khalifa: yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!

[21:38]  Justyn Tyme: I manage to keep 2 new comers ;-) Hint hint :P

[21:38]  Sakai Openlife: We have an item to talk about a little later re: regions

[21:38]  Cheops Forlife: yes same pink as mine lol

[21:39]  Sakai Openlife: The new Hub is good to go just waiting on the new purchase system to be done

[21:39]  Sakai Openlife: and we can flip over to 3dmee.com

[21:39]  Sakai Openlife: and install them

[21:39]  Cheops Forlife: need to add same blue now

[21:39]  Sakai Openlife: We did a maintenance update on the cloud

[21:39]  Sakai Openlife: yesterday

[21:39]  Justyn Tyme: great! looking forward to the 3dmee.com

[21:39]  Sakai Openlife: this wasn't a feature thing

[21:40]  Sakai Openlife: it was just updates to the cloud platform 3DX runs on

[21:40]  Sakai Openlife: Security fixes

[21:40]  Sakai Openlife: and things like that

[21:40]  Sakai Openlife: *keep the cloud safe

[21:40]  Justyn Tyme: :-)

[21:40]  Sakai Openlife: took a little longer than we expected but sometimes we just don't know

[21:41]  Justyn Tyme: time is patience

[21:41]  Justyn Tyme: u rush and mistakes form :-)

[21:41]  Shai Khalifa: we'd all prefer you took the time than rushed it

[21:41]  Sakai Openlife: these are updates given by Microsoft

[21:41]  Pauline Blackswan: are you aware taht we still have attachment troubles?

[21:41]  Shai Khalifa: we've all said that many times here

[21:41]  Sakai Openlife: so if they take a bit they take a bit

[21:41]  Sakai Openlife: better than having security holes in the cloud

[21:41]  Shai Khalifa: hehe

[21:41]  Sakai Openlife: so that item I mentioned

[21:41]  Sakai Openlife: we ran into an issue

[21:42]  Sakai Openlife: when we live tested the new purchase system

[21:42]  Sakai Openlife: to sum up

[21:42]  Sakai Openlife: the new system allows the user

[21:42]  Sakai Openlife: to visually place the region

[21:42]  Sakai Openlife: in the world

[21:42]  Justyn Tyme: oh wow!

[21:42]  Sakai Openlife: by being able to see locations that are available

[21:42]  Sakai Openlife: and suggested

[21:42]  Sakai Openlife: however

[21:42]  Sakai Openlife: we have a few regions

[21:42]  Sakai Openlife: that are sort of out of the ball park so to speak

[21:42]  Grimley Graves: :/

[21:42]  Sakai Openlife: and these we didn't account for when we made the system

[21:43]  Shai Khalifa: like nocturne?

[21:43]  Justyn Tyme: the ones that are just sitting there?

[21:43]  Shai Khalifa: out there in the boonies

[21:43]  Sakai Openlife: yeah

[21:43]  Grimley Graves: SHH

[21:43]  Sakai Openlife: sort of 'far out'

[21:43]  Sakai Openlife: from the main world

[21:43]  Grimley Graves: I like the boonies

[21:43]  Sakai Openlife: the issue it's causing us

[21:43]  Justyn Tyme: lol

[21:43]  Sakai Openlife: is that the auto suggested location

[21:43]  Justyn Tyme: grim u r the booonies :P

[21:43]  Melissa Dzieciol: hi everybody

[21:43]  Sakai Openlife: can look

[21:43]  Charli Darkwing: me too grimley lol

[21:43]  Sakai Openlife: mmm

[21:43]  Sakai Openlife: weird

[21:43]  Charli Darkwing: hi

[21:43]  Surreal Numbers: hi melissa

[21:43]  Shai Khalifa: hey Mel

[21:43]  Sakai Openlife: like there's no regions in the world

[21:43]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[21:43]  Cheops Forlife: hi Melissa

[21:43]  Pauline Blackswan: hello Melissa

[21:43]  Grimley Graves: hi Melissa

[21:43]  Sakai Openlife: because ti tries to hook into the outer edges

[21:43]  Sakai Openlife: where there is free space

[21:43]  Sakai Openlife: as it's first suggestion

[21:44]  Sakai Openlife: we were hoping

[21:44]  Sakai Openlife: that those on the outer edges of the world

[21:44]  Sakai Openlife: would like to come in

[21:44]  Shai Khalifa: hehe, so we fill up from the outside inward - then Grims won't be alone any more

[21:44]  Sakai Openlife: well actually it tries to fill out

[21:44]  Sakai Openlife: which means we get this big dead space

[21:44]  Sakai Openlife: because of the far out regions

[21:44]  Charli Darkwing: u can move me out if u want

[21:44]  Justyn Tyme: in other words, u can have 4 corner water but tend to keep the regions close to mainland?

[21:45]  Charli Darkwing: i dont care where i am as long as i am lol

[21:45]  Sakai Openlife: right so we try to suggest

[21:45]  Sakai Openlife: a location

[21:45]  Shai Khalifa: hehe

[21:45]  Sakai Openlife: that is surrounded by water

[21:45]  Justyn Tyme: sounds good

[21:45]  Sakai Openlife: (so regions aren't touching()

[21:45]  Sakai Openlife: and it tries to search for spots on the outside

[21:45]  Shai Khalifa: so will moving Grims in closer help?

[21:46]  Sakai Openlife: the furthest away it will allow a region to be from the rest

[21:46]  Sakai Openlife: is 2 region spaces

[21:46]  Pauline Blackswan: that's a suggested location, but what happen if a contiguos land is choseen?

[21:46]  Charli Darkwing: ouches

[21:46]  Sakai Openlife: it looks at who owns

[21:46]  Sakai Openlife: the land you are trying to join up with

[21:46]  Sakai Openlife: if it's your own

[21:47]  Sakai Openlife: ie you are adding a region

[21:47]  Necr Kaligawa: hi to all

[21:47]  Charli Darkwing: hi necr

[21:47]  Sakai Openlife: to your existing regions

[21:47]  Cheops Forlife: hi Necr

[21:47]  Shai Khalifa: and what about if you want to adjoin to someone else to form an area?

[21:47]  Sakai Openlife: then it will accept it

[21:47]  Shai Khalifa: g'day Necr

[21:47]  Sakai Openlife: if it's adjoining 1 region

[21:47]  Melissa Dzieciol: hi Necr

[21:47]  Sakai Openlife: it will warn you could be moved

[21:47]  Necr Kaligawa: thanks

[21:47]  Sakai Openlife: if it adjoins 2 different owners

[21:47]  Sakai Openlife: it will not allow it

[21:47]  Shai Khalifa: yw

[21:47]  Justyn Tyme: in other words ask before you adjoin your region to another?

[21:47]  Sakai Openlife: basicallyt

[21:47]  Sakai Openlife: the system will let someone join 1 region

[21:47]  Sakai Openlife: onto yours

[21:47]  Grimley Graves: afk for a sec

[21:47]  Sakai Openlife: but

[21:48]  Sakai Openlife: they are warned

[21:48]  Necr Kaligawa: brb

[21:48]  Sakai Openlife: that their region could be moved

[21:48]  Shai Khalifa: coolies

[21:48]  Sakai Openlife: ie if you protest

[21:48]  Sakai Openlife: and say I don't want a neighbour there

[21:48]  Sakai Openlife: we would move it

[21:48]  Shai Khalifa: will this info be on the region purchase page?

[21:48]  Sakai Openlife: yeah

[21:48]  Shai Khalifa: :)

[21:48]  Sakai Openlife: it actually let's you know

[21:48]  Sakai Openlife: when you select a space next to someone

[21:48]  Justyn Tyme: well lets hope there is no issues when placing a region

[21:49]  Sakai Openlife: well it works well

[21:49]  Sakai Openlife: just the auto suggested location is wrong

[21:49]  Sakai Openlife: and there's a couple regions we need to move in

[21:49]  Sakai Openlife: to avoid weird work arounds

[21:49]  Sakai Openlife: anyways once that's done

[21:49]  Sakai Openlife: both the regular regions

[21:49]  Sakai Openlife: and the lite regions

[21:49]  Sakai Openlife: will be available in the new store

[21:50]  Shai Khalifa: yay

[21:50]  Charli Darkwing: well the way regions are spaced now, if u want another u have to hope space is avaible around u true?

[21:50]  Sakai Openlife: well we try to deliver now

[21:50]  Sakai Openlife: with 1 space

[21:50]  Sakai Openlife: around you

[21:50]  Sakai Openlife: this generally works ok

[21:50]  Pauline Blackswan: would not be easier to lock the locations on the boredr of existing region and if somebodt would join send a requestr

[21:50]  Grimley Graves: back

[21:50]  Charli Darkwing: ok hubby talking about getting his own..not sure he will but is talking about it

[21:50]  Charli Darkwing: wb grimley

[21:51]  Sakai Openlife: we don't have any fancy method make automatic join requests

[21:51]  Sakai Openlife: (yet)

[21:51]  Grimley Graves: I assume I'm going to have to move?

[21:51]  Shai Khalifa: hehe

[21:51]  Charli Darkwing: lol well if he does he will want to be next to be

[21:51]  Charli Darkwing: me*

[21:51]  Sakai Openlife: so we figured easist would be to allow join to 1

[21:51]  Sakai Openlife: but not allow join to 2

[21:51]  Shai Khalifa: makes sense

[21:51]  Charli Darkwing: kk

[21:51]  Sakai Openlife: unless you own at least 1 of the 2

[21:52]  Shai Khalifa: there has to be some compromise somewhere to facilitate the oddities

[21:52]  Sakai Openlife: *simple rules tend to save our brain power

[21:52]  Justyn Tyme: should have it if possible to check mark saying allow a joining region to connect

[21:52]  Charli Darkwing: yes that makes a lot of sense

[21:52]  Sakai Openlife: for Grims and a couple others yes

[21:52]  Sakai Openlife: we would like to politely ask you to move in with the rest of us

[21:52]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[21:52]  Grimley Graves: thats more coding to do, best to keep it simple

[21:52]  Justyn Tyme: hehe

[21:53]  Charli Darkwing: grim move next to me lol

[21:53]  Charli Darkwing: we kinda fit hhaha goth/dead

[21:53]  Sakai Openlife: we are clean neighbours

[21:53]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[21:53]  Grimley Graves: well, my region has been mostly trouble free since I got it, I'm afraid moving will upset the mix

[21:53]  Sakai Openlife: it's only a number

[21:53]  Justyn Tyme: lmoa @ grim

[21:53]  Sakai Openlife: (the location)

[21:53]  Grimley Graves: I know it "shouldn't"

[21:53]  Sakai Openlife: so it won't change it's happiness

[21:54]  Sakai Openlife: but i understand don't wanna jinx the mix

[21:54]  Charli Darkwing: pfft ive had to reboot everytime i try to link very much..hard when building custom houses lol

[21:54]  Grimley Graves: but I've been really lucky with no issues

[21:54]  Sakai Openlife: but i can assure you it won't change

[21:54]  Shai Khalifa: my lot aren't too bad, even though I've got a bunch of them in sight of each other

[21:55]  Sakai Openlife: so we're hoping that we can get those changes necessary done over the next day or so

[21:55]  Sakai Openlife: and make the changes to the web over the weekend

[21:55]  Justyn Tyme: nice!

[21:55]  Grimley Graves: do I get to choose my location?

[21:55]  Charli Darkwing: nice

[21:55]  Sakai Openlife: then we can get back into world items and the extras for the web

[21:55]  Sakai Openlife: sure

[21:55]  Sakai Openlife: anywhere you like Grims

[21:55]  Sakai Openlife: just let me know

[21:55]  Sakai Openlife: and we'll make it happen

[21:55]  Sakai Openlife: *just IM me

[21:56]  Sakai Openlife: been good bumping into ppl this week too

[21:56]  Grimley Graves: do you have some kind of coordinate map I can ref?

[21:56]  Sakai Openlife: the activity seems to be growing

[21:56]  Sakai Openlife: just use the main map

[21:56]  Sakai Openlife: and let me know a location in relation to

[21:56]  Sakai Openlife: another region

[21:56]  Sakai Openlife: ;)

[21:56]  Shai Khalifa: oh talking about coordinates - I'm assuming the location url you copy out of the map works for websites?

[21:57]  Grimley Graves: ok, I'll do a screenshot if ness

[21:57]  Justyn Tyme: yes it has been picked up new comers are saying they're coming in from SL LOL tired of the drama there

[21:57]  Sakai Openlife: location url?

[21:57]  Sakai Openlife: mm

[21:57]  Grimley Graves: most newbies come from SL...

[21:57]  Shai Khalifa: for teleporting

[21:57]  Sakai Openlife: you mean in the new region selector?

[21:57]  Grimley Graves: problem is, they expect perfection here

[21:57]  Shai Khalifa: yeah Justyn, we tend to get that from newbs as a majority

[21:57]  Sakai Openlife: my hair looks quite perfect i though?

[21:58]  Grimley Graves: which is why so many dont stay :(

[21:58]  Charli Darkwing: i had 4 drop in om me this week, and 1 i know for sure is staying and bringing his g/f in

[21:58]  Shai Khalifa: lol, you're as grey inworld as I am RL sakai

[21:58]  Sakai Openlife: perfection doesn't exist

[21:58]  Justyn Tyme: well no grid is perfection its what you make of it and how you interact with others to make it a fun experience.

[21:58]  Sakai Openlife: but a damn good effort does exist here

[21:58]  Melissa Dzieciol: true

[21:58]  Charli Darkwing: yes it does

[21:58]  Grimley Graves: thats what I keep telling people

[21:58]  Shai Khalifa: indeed

[21:58]  Justyn Tyme: Yes Sakai you'r right

[21:59]  Sakai Openlife: *and we haven't stopped yet

[21:59]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[21:59]  Charli Darkwing: i may have scared 1 person from sl this week

[21:59]  Justyn Tyme: hehe

[21:59]  Charli Darkwing: Justin did u have any more trouble from her?

[21:59]  Justyn Tyme: nope but she did state her age lol

[21:59]  Charli Darkwing: what 12?

[21:59]  Grimley Graves: well, having the basics working will really help with retention...

[21:59]  Justyn Tyme: 14

[21:59]  Sakai Openlife: clearly you have basics

[21:59]  Sakai Openlife: and more

[21:59]  Charli Darkwing: aww ya well i knew she was a teeny bopper

[21:59]  Grimley Graves: (search, full group functionality, etc)

[21:59]  Sakai Openlife: otherwise we couldn't be here

[22:00]  Shai Khalifa: ah, must be the same one Pauline was having a difficult conversation with

[22:00]  Pauline Blackswan: coul be

[22:00]  Grimley Graves: (friends list working, green dots, etc)

[22:00]  Sakai Openlife: re that question about the irl before in the new region selector

[22:00]  Charli Darkwing: she came in and immediately ask Justin for sex, he yelled for help and i politely but firmly told her that we dont act that way here UNLESS it is retalliated

[22:00]  Grimley Graves: those are the basics I mean

[22:00]  Justyn Tyme: OMG! the first question out of her mouth was is there a place to have sex?

[22:00]  Sakai Openlife: the new region selector isn't a public map

[22:01]  Justyn Tyme: that si when I had to have charli come in and take over

[22:01]  Charli Darkwing: hey Sakai...is there way to keep those kiddies out?

[22:01]  Sakai Openlife: it's just a special micro map built into the new region system

[22:01]  Sakai Openlife: tbh

[22:01]  Sakai Openlife: it's quite unlikely they are really kids

[22:01]  Charli Darkwing: this 1 was

[22:01]  Sakai Openlife: more like silly ppl trying to be kids

[22:01]  Charli Darkwing: i guarantee

[22:01]  Sakai Openlife: if they seem to be goating you

[22:01]  Shai Khalifa: I was actually referring to the 3DXURL - so I can reference locations for teleport to OL from OracL

[22:01]  Sakai Openlife: then they're likely an significantly older

[22:01]  Justyn Tyme: you can really call out the kids by the way they talk

[22:01]  Sakai Openlife: and quite aware

[22:02]  Charli Darkwing: no she backed pedaled when i started in on her

[22:02]  Sakai Openlife: that they are goating you

[22:02]  Grimley Graves: they are most likely from the defunct teen grid, since thats the first thing they ask

[22:02]  Charli Darkwing: yup

[22:02]  Justyn Tyme: lol

[22:02]  Sakai Openlife: teens rarely speak like you expect

[22:02]  Grimley Graves: hormones being what they are LOL

[22:02]  Sakai Openlife: so if it sounds childish it's more than likely an act by someone goating you

[22:02]  Charli Darkwing: hahah grim...well she was wiling for sure she even im'd me later asking if i like little girls

[22:02]  Shai Khalifa: well we are 15+, so we're going to get kids occassionally - luckily either they adjust and fit in or they leave

[22:03]  Justyn Tyme: OMG! charli you're kidding

[22:03]  Charli Darkwing: and i was shocked and told her straight out that IF i was she wouldnt b1 lol

[22:03]  Grimley Graves: I dont go by HOW they speak, but how they act and what they look for

[22:03]  Charli Darkwing: no im not

[22:03]  Sakai Openlife: there are odd balls out there would like to put some bad labels on us

[22:03]  Shai Khalifa: likewise Grims

[22:03]  Pauline Blackswan: if we are talking about the same person , well she never talked about sex , my feeling was she had some trouble... that's all

[22:03]  Sakai Openlife: so just report it and ignore if it's inappropriate

[22:03]  Shai Khalifa: and hit the ban button if they're a pain

[22:04]  Charli Darkwing: lol i speak my mind, and if that doesnt work iggy does

[22:04]  Shai Khalifa: they'll get the hint eventually - but we've found in the past that patient care and a little talking to goes a long way

[22:04]  Justyn Tyme: right

[22:04]  Charli Darkwing: well i wasnt rude or anything to her, just firm

[22:04]  Shai Khalifa: exactly what's needed

[22:05]  Grimley Graves: most of the immature ones dissappear from boredom or frustrtaion here anyway... we dont offer what they want so they go elsewhere

[22:05]  Shai Khalifa: they may be young, but they need to know there are boundaries across which they shouldn't tread

[22:05]  Charli Darkwing: yes

[22:05]  Sakai Openlife: well we don't all need to be friends

[22:05]  Shai Khalifa: and generaly once they know they settle down

[22:05]  Grimley Graves: and then there are the ones that are cool

[22:05]  Sakai Openlife: just get along in peace is fine

[22:05]  Cheops Forlife: well we had baddest long to cook

[22:05]  Sakai Openlife: it's a big enough space

[22:05]  Shai Khalifa: hehe, you were sooooooooo patient with him Che

[22:05]  Charli Darkwing: yes it is and easy enuff to hide lol

[22:06]  Grimley Graves: Xtaci is one example, more mature than some 30 year olds I know

[22:06]  Cheops Forlife: haha did oyu try the keyword baddest in the new search at "avatars"?

[22:06]  Shai Khalifa: and once he figured out we'd respect him if he didn't act an idiot he was a really good part of the community

[22:07]  Cheops Forlife: sure, most turn like this or leave

[22:07]  Sakai Openlife: for shai external urls can be done in 2 ways

[22:07]  Grimley Graves: but, we digress... back to the meeting LOL

[22:07]  Sakai Openlife: if you want to link a region onto facebook or another site etc

[22:07]  Charli Darkwing: lol

[22:08]  Sakai Openlife: so you an use the teleport direct link

[22:08]  Sakai Openlife: which is http://3dmee.com/Teleport? Arguments here

[22:08]  Sakai Openlife: or you will also be able to use the new region link

[22:08]  Sakai Openlife: that arrives in 3DMee

[22:08]  Shai Khalifa: ok, I'll hold off for now then

[22:08]  Sakai Openlife: which is http://3dmee.com/Region?N=SomeNameHere

[22:09]  Sakai Openlife: the difference is one

[22:09]  Sakai Openlife: TP link

[22:09]  Sakai Openlife: goes straight into the TP page

[22:09]  Sakai Openlife: the other

[22:09]  Sakai Openlife: goes to a new page

[22:09]  Sakai Openlife: which is run by the region owner

[22:09]  Sakai Openlife: *like a profile for regions

[22:09]  Sakai Openlife: This profile for regions lists the parcels in the region

[22:09]  Shai Khalifa: ok, can you please do something on the wiki about this then when it's done

[22:09]  Sakai Openlife: *like search

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: maybe it's pretty self explanatory when it arrive

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: so just depends on if you want o show info about the region or just a direct TP

[22:10]  Shai Khalifa: I'm putting a "region/parcel showcase" section on OracL - so would be good to have a direct tp

[22:10]  Sakai Openlife: the region page still has a TP link on it too

[22:11]  Shai Khalifa: I may do that then instead

[22:11]  Aerovamon Aionia is Online

[22:11]  Shai Khalifa: I'd rather have the 3DMee site between OracL and the world

[22:11]  Cheops Forlife: parakalo

[22:12]  Sakai Openlife is Offline

[22:12]  Shai Khalifa: g'day Aero

[22:12]  Aerovamon Aionia: hello everyone :)

[22:12]  Shai Khalifa: hehe, thought he'd crashed

[22:12]  Charli Darkwing: hi Areo

[22:12]  Grimley Graves: hi Aero

[22:12]  Melissa Dzieciol: hi Aero

[22:12]  Pauline Blackswan: hi Aero

[22:12]  Justyn Tyme: Hey aero

[22:12]  Shai Khalifa: I think this is the biggest turnout we've had at a meeting in a very very very long time

[22:13]  Grimley Graves: too many at the meet, booted Sakai :)

[22:13]  Cheops Forlife: hi Aero, how is hello in Greek? I just remember parakalo, this is thank you isn't it?

[22:13]  Aerovamon Aionia: you remember it quite well :)

[22:13]  Cheops Forlife: so hello is?

[22:14]  Grimley Graves: it's all greek to me ;)

[22:14]  Aerovamon Aionia: it's geia

[22:14]  Charli Darkwing: lol

[22:14]  Shai Khalifa: hehe, someone had to say it

[22:14]  Grimley Graves: (dont hit me)

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife is Online

[22:14]  Aerovamon Aionia: shai i say it all the time, my fav joke :P

[22:14]  Shai Khalifa: hehe

[22:14]  Cheops Forlife: ok

[22:14]  Charli Darkwing: wb

[22:14]  Grimley Graves: wb Sakai

[22:14]  Melissa Dzieciol: wb

[22:14]  Cheops Forlife: wb

[22:15]  Shai Khalifa: wb Sakai

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: *sorry the office connection had a little fit

[22:15]  Shai Khalifa: lol, welcome to the real world

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: such a moody littlle connection it is

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[22:15]  Charli Darkwing: lol

[22:15]  Shai Khalifa: lol

[22:15]  Shai Khalifa: must be a bloke

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: *we'll get someone in to sort it out

[22:15]  Justyn Tyme: lol

[22:15]  Charli Darkwing: just gassy, it burped lol

[22:15]  Grimley Graves: :O

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: yeah every couple days it flips out

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: for about a minute

[22:16]  Shai Khalifa: you sure you're not on Telstra?

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: last 2 offices never had this issue

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: so I'm sure they can fix it

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: (100mb fibre)

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: so I was saying something

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: then realised I wasn't really saying anything

[22:17]  Charli Darkwing: lol

[22:17]  Shai Khalifa: hehe

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: and i don't really remember

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: where i was up to

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: doesn't matter

[22:17]  Charli Darkwing: u were telling Shai how to link

[22:17]  Grimley Graves: [22:11] Sakai Openlife: so just depends on if you want o show info about the region or just a direct TP

[22:11] Shai Khalifa: I'm putting a "region/parcel showcase" section on OracL - so would be good to have a direct tp

[22:11] Sakai Openlife: the region page still has a TP link on it too

[22:17]  Cheops Forlife: about URL Links

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: hopefully i haven't been gone long

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: (would be embarrassing if i had been gone for the last 30mins)

[22:18]  Justyn Tyme: lol

[22:18]  Melissa Dzieciol: lol

[22:18]  Grimley Graves: no, just a min or two

[22:18]  Shai Khalifa: we'd have all buggered off by now if you had

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: be like gee you guys are quiet

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: doodydoody doo

[22:18]  Shai Khalifa: hehe

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: yeah that region page

[22:18]  Shai Khalifa: us - quiet - you should have twigged in a couple of secs

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: region owners can update it

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: with info about their regions

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: beyond the parcel profiel

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: profile

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: so if you had a notice to users of your region

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: u could post it there

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: or if it's something new you did

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: in your store etc

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: you could post it there too

[22:19]  Shai Khalifa: like mini blogs?

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: entirely up to you if you want to use it or not

[22:19]  Dewdad Darkwing is Online

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: other ppl can also drop a comment

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: on the region

[22:20]  Charli Darkwing: guys hubby is here i have to run

[22:20]  Charli Darkwing: sorry

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: and rate it

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: *give it some stars)

[22:20]  Grimley Graves: bye Charli

[22:20]  Shai Khalifa: ok Charli - I'll post up the chat log as usual

[22:20]  Pauline Blackswan: we will have a page for Avatar profile as well as region profile?

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: yep

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: so av profile

[22:20]  Shai Khalifa: :)

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: u may prefer to use

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: for telling ppl about things

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: seeing as we made similar code elsewhere in the system

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: we reused a bit

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: in region

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: page

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: we don't have 'follow' buttons

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: or anything like this

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: it's sort of simple for the moment

[22:22]  Shai Khalifa: noice - it's clean and green and recycled

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: but if you do have a twitter account

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: there's an option

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: to add it

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: to your profile

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: and then your tweets will be on the same page

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: in a twitter widget

[22:22]  Grimley Graves: Justyn's battery just died LOL

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: if you don't it's ok the widget just won't appear

[22:22]  Pauline Blackswan: that's part of premium features or common to everybody

[22:22]  Pauline Blackswan: ?

[22:22]  Shai Khalifa: will this happen before or after we get groups finished and green dots done?

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: the twitter premium

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: item

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: is that we will make it possible in future

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: to tweet

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: from in world

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: by just writing in the chat bar

[22:23]  Shai Khalifa: like we did for Digi's inworld tweeter?

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: ie /tweet Here's my text to tweet

[22:24]  Justyn Tyme is Online

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: and presto it would tweet it

[22:24]  Justyn Tyme: dang laptop

[22:24]  Shai Khalifa: wb Justyn

[22:24]  Melissa Dzieciol: wb Justyn

[22:24]  Justyn Tyme: ty

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: re tiwtt erin profile

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: we haven't decided yet if it should be prem only or not

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: we still need to discuss it

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: *if not we need to make more changes

[22:25]  Grimley Graves: is this something thats almost ready? or something you are planning to start soon?

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: *if prem only it's pretty much ready to go

[22:25]  Justyn Tyme: I noticed the premium is yrly, can't it be monthly paid basis?

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: as prem users already have an extended profile

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: in our system

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: that supports extra settings like twtter etc and reg users don't

[22:26]  Grimley Graves: ok, I was going to say... lets not start any new shiny features till the kitchen is cleaned out

[22:26]  Shai Khalifa: Justyn that's a discussion we had back when Sakai first told us about Premium

[22:26]  Shai Khalifa: I'm with you Grims

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: these are coming anyway Grims

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: we are quite capable of working on 2 things at once

[22:26]  Grimley Graves: there are still a lot of recipies cooking

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: they come through need to remember sometimes components are dependent on others

[22:27]  Shai Khalifa: I guess there will always be recipes, but yes, would be good if the old ones finally made it out of the oven

[22:27]  Grimley Graves: I understand that

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: however it goes we build those pieces of the jigsaw and put them together

[22:27]  Grimley Graves: and I'm sure a lot of things will hit all at once

[22:27]  Surreal Numbers: if i disappear suddenly it is because there is a thunderstorm dropping walnut sized hail

[22:28]  Pauline Blackswan: many ecipes are groups related.... just to remeber you group issues...

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: well you know how it often goes

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: you tend to see it spurt out

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: ina group of frequent updates

[22:28]  Shai Khalifa: good grief Surreal - sounds nasty

[22:28]  Grimley Graves: but you tend to get distracted easily (to put it bluntly) and we are trying to keep you focused :)

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: this is partially because of how the cycle worlks

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: it's ok

[22:28]  Cheops Forlife: oops Necr had the thunder before you lol

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: u have the kitchen for that grims

[22:29]  Pauline Blackswan: send me some rain Surr

[22:29]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[22:29]  Pauline Blackswan: midnight here and we still at 26

[22:29]  Grimley Graves: yep, and thats why I mentioned all the recipies still cooking

[22:29]  Sakai Openlife: warm

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: yeah let them cook ;)

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: they'll taste better

[22:30]  Grimley Graves: as long as they dont get forgotten

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: lol no

[22:31]  Shai Khalifa: any news on timing of the R18 viewer yet?

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: let the process happen ;) it's a good one

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: I think 2 weeks from now we should have Klee

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: in the world meet

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: to talk it up a bit

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: and take questions

[22:31]  Shai Khalifa: excellent

[22:32]  Sakai Openlife: as we're certainly getting quite close

[22:32]  Grimley Graves: so question...

[22:32]  Sakai Openlife: technically this is like R21

[22:32]  Shai Khalifa: hehe

[22:32]  Sakai Openlife: but it will just be called 3dmee viewer v1.x.x.x

[22:33]  Grimley Graves: how much of the current kitchen stuff is dependent on the new viewer?

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: nothing yet

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: u don't have the new viewer yet

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: so there's no recipes from you for it yet

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: ;)

[22:34]  Grimley Graves: no, I meant is the new viewer required to fix some of the issues in the kitchen?

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: possibly some in the limbo department

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: but we won't know for sure

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: until we get closer to the same release versions

[22:35]  Grimley Graves: friends list?

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: nah

[22:35]  Pauline Blackswan: ok friends, i am off . tomorrow should be a quiet day but today was not

[22:35]  Grimley Graves: thats server side?

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: that's all tied into the new friends system

[22:35]  Shai Khalifa: ok Pauline

[22:35]  Pauline Blackswan: have a nice day

[22:35]  Pauline Blackswan: hugs

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: take care! ㋡

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: cya again

[22:36]  Grimley Graves: see ya Pauline

[22:36]  Shai Khalifa: Can you please catch me on skype when you can?

[22:36]  Cheops Forlife: bye Pauline

[22:36]  Grimley Graves: sleep in tomorrow :)

[22:36]  Pauline Blackswan: yes sure

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: ao ?

[22:36]  Melissa Dzieciol: bye Pauline

[22:36]  Shai Khalifa: cool - sleep well

[22:36]  Pauline Blackswan: yes

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: u seem to be writhing a little

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[22:36]  Shai Khalifa: yes, Pauline's doing AOs

[22:36]  Surreal Numbers: good night pauline

[22:37]  Pauline Blackswan: unfortunately it block aavtar on regions script free

[22:37]  Justyn Tyme: Nite pauline

[22:37]  Pauline Blackswan: need to fix it

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: also noted that AO is not a searchable term

[22:37]  Pauline Blackswan: ciao

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: something that we noted we'll have to make an exception for

[22:37]  Shai Khalifa: ciao bella

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: ao is smaller than the minimum 3 letters required for search

[22:38]  Cheops Forlife: ah true

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: so we'll update search with a special handler

[22:38]  Shai Khalifa: ah, yes and it's something that will rate high as a search item I'm sure

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: that can look for [space]AO[space] explicitly

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: I don't think i mentioned it last week

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: but in search

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: you might noticed the grey column

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: with the sponsored links

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: this will be available to users too

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: (any user with a parcel in their name)

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: in future

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: with either keywords

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: or * wildcard

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: *wilcard means when there's no matching keywords

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: your sponsored advert would appear

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: adverts will be sponsored via credits

[22:41]  Shai Khalifa: talking about sponsored - any news on the Donation SSO?

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: we'll post into the kitchen when we're on it

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: like grims suggested

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: there's a few items that are already in progress before that one

[22:41]  Grimley Graves: is there an entry for that in there?

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: i think there was?

[22:42]  Shai Khalifa: if not I'll add one

[22:42]  Grimley Graves: I dont remember one

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: so if I can find the plate for cookies

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: I'd put it out

[22:42]  Shai Khalifa: actually would be good to have a search on Kitchen

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: *we've used up all our meeting time

[22:42]  Grimley Graves: Justyn said he was bringing doughnuts

[22:43]  Justyn Tyme: Sakai ate them all :P

[22:43]  Grimley Graves: he must have eaten them all

[22:43]  Sakai Openlife: beena long time since i ate a doughnut

[22:43]  Sakai Openlife: *I'm not sure doughnuts are such common food (for aussies)

[22:43]  Justyn Tyme: see its been a long time so he ate them all

[22:43]  Shai Khalifa: how's the wedding plans coming by the way?

[22:43]  Grimley Graves: no doughnuts in Taiwan>

[22:43]  Sakai Openlife: they have a lot of doughnut store here

[22:44]  Sakai Openlife: *Japanese style doughnuts

[22:44]  Sakai Openlife: but again not really something ppl regularly eat

[22:44]  Sakai Openlife: sort of like a gift things

[22:44]  Grimley Graves: now I know what t o get you for X-mas

[22:44]  Justyn Tyme: lol

[22:55]  Shai Khalifa: ohhh, it's dark outside here in the region - it's lovely to see the day cycle working again

[22:55]  Cheops Forlife: aww I broke something about that Sakai

[22:55]  Sakai Openlife: ?

[22:56]  Cheops Forlife: can't have the same cycle anymore than everybody

[22:56]  Shai Khalifa: lol remember if you fix it in Region Tools, you override the day default

[22:56]  Cheops Forlife: I played with the day cycle setting

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: revert to region default

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: again

[22:56]  Grimley Graves: you broke the sun Cheops? :O

[22:56]  Cheops Forlife: can't!

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: if it's in your viewer

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: make sure you do in your viewer

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: ie if you went somewhere

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: and set yourself to midnight

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: unset yourself

[22:56]  Cheops Forlife: can't find any stting for it!

[22:57]  Sakai Openlife: World

[22:57]  Sakai Openlife: >

[22:57]  Sakai Openlife: Environment Settings >

[22:57]  Cheops Forlife: I just asked some here their setting and put the same again and saved

[22:57]  Cheops Forlife: but

[22:57]  Sakai Openlife: Revert to Region Default

[22:57]  Cheops Forlife: listening Shai, for me it is daylight

[22:57]  Sakai Openlife: yes so cheops that is the option you need to select

[22:57]  Sakai Openlife: your viewer is overrriding the region

[22:57]  Cheops Forlife: where?

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: World > Environment Settings > Revert to REgion Default

[22:58]  Shai Khalifa: World>Environmental settings

[22:58]  Cheops Forlife: ok, done now

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: ㋡

[22:58]  Cheops Forlife: still daylaight

[22:58]  Shai Khalifa: :)

[22:58]  Grimley Graves: it doesn't revert after a TP?

[22:58]  Cheops Forlife: let me relog

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: not iof you overide it in the viewer

[22:58]  Cheops Forlife is Offline

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: if you viewer override then that is your viewer ignoring the send

[22:59]  Grimley Graves: it used to do that

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: if you set in region settings

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: and go from fixed

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: to default

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: then of course it will change

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: when u change to the different region types

[22:59]  Cheops Forlife is Online

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: but your end is literally that overriding

[23:00]  Cheops Forlife: still daylight!

[23:00]  Grimley Graves: I would click the midnite button for a VLE event and it would revert to noon when I logged back in the next day

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: *otherwise walking across a border in rpg or something would screw it up

[23:00]  Grimley Graves: or if I tp'd home

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: so yeah your viewer setting trumps all

[23:00]  Sakai Openlife: bascially

[23:01]  Shai Khalifa: talking of which, Surreal, you should set VL to permenant midnight

[23:01]  Cheops Forlife: why do I have still daylight?

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: only midnight>?

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: I do like the areas around midnight

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: like 'just dark'

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: sort of 9pm feel to it

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: when they sky isn't just 'black'

[23:02]  Shai Khalifa: hehe on VL the sky is filled with music

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: the big moon look

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: is sometimes quite interesting too

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: feels a bit like planets

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: but I'm out of time

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: I need to jump into a non-pixel meeting

[23:03]  Shai Khalifa: ok mate. Thanks for spending time with us

[23:03]  Cheops Forlife: so I'm still daylight grrr

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: but great to see everyone

[23:03]  Grimley Graves: yep, I gotta run too

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: see you all again really soon!

[23:03]  Shai Khalifa: say hi to the guys in the office for us all

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: have fun!

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife is Offline

[23:03]  Cheops Forlife: well my viewer is broken?

[23:03]  Shai Khalifa: roflmao

[23:03]  Grimley Graves: clear cacsh Cheops?

[23:04]  Grimley Graves: casch

[23:04]  Cheops Forlife: for this??

[23:04]  Grimley Graves: CASH$$$

[23:04]  Shai Khalifa: try tp to another region

[23:04]  Melissa Dzieciol: I've got to go

[23:04]  Melissa Dzieciol: cu all soon

[23:04]  Shai Khalifa: cya Melissa

[23:04]  Cheops Forlife: Bye all

[23:04]  Grimley Graves: see ya Melissa

[23:04]  Shai Khalifa: good to see you again

[23:04]  Melissa Dzieciol: same here:)

[23:04]  Melissa Dzieciol: byes

[23:04]  Cheops Forlife: see you soon

[23:06]  Shai Khalifa: I'll catch you all a bit later

[23:06]  Grimley Graves: nite Shai

[23:06]  Grimley Graves: oh, btw...

[23:06]  Shai Khalifa: ?

[23:06]  Grimley Graves: start thinking about clues for the next hunt

[23:06]  Shai Khalifa: ok, will do

[23:06]  Grimley Graves: I want all new for next month

[23:07]  Shai Khalifa: kk

[23:07]  Shai Khalifa waves to all

[23:07]  Aerovamon Aionia: bye :)

[23:07]  Grimley Graves: surreal? you afk?

[23:07]  Shai Khalifa wishes gestures turned back on

[22:01] Grimley Graves: hi Sakai 

[22:01] Sakai Openlife: woohoo 
[22:01] Shai Khalifa: hey Sakai 
[22:01] Aerovamon Aionia: hello sakai  
[22:01] Sakai Openlife: G'Day everyone 
[22:01] Pauline Blackswan: hello Sakai 
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: great to be back at the meet  
[22:02] Shai Khalifa: wow man, you smack on time today  
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: :p 
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: hehe grims aero and shai 
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: all move hands 
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: at the same time 
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: hehe cute 
[22:02] Sakai Openlife: how is everyone? 
[22:02] Grimley Graves: syncronized sitting 
[22:02] Shai Khalifa: day off for me - so happy enough 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: I reckon someone called Celeste Paradise is about to arrive into welcome 
[22:03] Shai Khalifa: new OLympic sport 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: hehe yeah 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: actually this is our last meet as 'Openlife' 
[22:03] Shai Khalifa: and Celeste Paradise would be????????? 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: dunno another new user 
[22:03] Shai Khalifa: ah ok 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: just saw the registration 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: on the monitor 
[22:03] Pauline Blackswan: Dante daughter? 
[22:03] Sakai Openlife: been a lot of new reg lately actually 
[22:03] Shai Khalifa: Grims can you bring Smiley in? 
[22:04] Sakai Openlife: particularly high for mid week signups 
[22:04] Shai Khalifa: one sec, sick daughter 
[22:04] Grimley Graves: we arent doing so well actually Sakai... 
[22:04] Sakai Openlife: ur unwell? 
[22:04] Grimley Graves: I assume you've seen the posts in the forums 
[22:04] Sakai Openlife: we read as much as we can yes 
[22:04] Shai Khalifa: back 
[22:04] Sakai Openlife: which post would you like to point me to 
[22:04] Sakai Openlife:  
[22:05] Grimley Graves: http://openlifegrid.com/Forums/tabid/323/aff/25/aft/2452/afv/topic/afpgj/1/Default.aspx#19431 
[22:05] Shai Khalifa: yeah, may be getting new people, but they don't stay - and there's unrest in the more permenant camp 
[22:05] Sakai Openlife: I did have a read of that 
[22:05] Sakai Openlife: maybe pauline can help me a little more with it 
[22:06] Sakai Openlife: when we tested clothes live 
[22:06] Grimley Graves: I've not seen this level of unrest ever in OL 
[22:06] Sakai Openlife: seemed to be fine 
[22:06] Shai Khalifa: easy to test here 
[22:06] Pauline Blackswan: unfortunately with the part A the clothes issue was not fixed 
[22:06] Sakai Openlife: the bug sucked there's no doubt about it 
[22:06] Shai Khalifa: you just create a new item of clothing, texture it, take it off and then rewear 
[22:06] Grimley Graves: I can confirm that textures dont always load when uploaded 
[22:07] Grimley Graves: and still can disappear after relog 
[22:07] Pauline Blackswan: exactly 
[22:07] Aerovamon Aionia: i dont have that problem for a couple of days now 
[22:07] Shai Khalifa: I've been exceedingly lucky not to have been stuck wth that one 
[22:07] Grimley Graves: I just uploaded three that wouldn't displya, showed dimentions of 0 X 0 
[22:07] Shai Khalifa: oh, has to be a newly uploaded texture 
[22:08] Grimley Graves: yeah, existing textures seem to be fine 
[22:08] Sakai Openlife: ? 
[22:08] Sakai Openlife: worked 
[22:08] Grimley Graves: I think the new asset system is having a hard time finding them, but I'm no expert 
[22:09] Sakai Openlife: if you geet a 0x0 
[22:09] Sakai Openlife: would not surprise me 
[22:09] Shai Khalifa: where did your shirt go Sakai? 
[22:09] Sakai Openlife: if it wasn't 0x0 a little later 
[22:09] Sakai Openlife: *I took it off 
[22:09] Shai Khalifa: ah ok 
[22:09] Sakai Openlife: red isn't such a pretty shirt 
[22:09] Sakai Openlife: lol 
[22:09] Grimley Graves: these texture issues (grey textures, missing tex, lost tex) all started when the new system came online 
[22:10] Pauline Blackswan is Offline 
[22:10] Shai Khalifa: oop 
[22:10] Grimley Graves: and effect some more than others 
[22:10] Shai Khalifa: Pauline just came out of appearance and crashed 
[22:10] Sakai Openlife: I think she's relog test 
[22:10] Shai Khalifa: kk 
[22:10] Grimley Graves: or maybe she is relogging 
[22:11] Pauline Blackswan is Online 
[22:11] Sakai Openlife: if there's a fair bit going on it can take up to 3 secs 
[22:11] Sakai Openlife: from what we saw 
[22:11] Sakai Openlife: for the asset 
[22:11] Sakai Openlife: to make it into it's 'bin' 
[22:11] Shai Khalifa: there's bugger all goes on on the grid 
[22:11] Shai Khalifa: lately 
[22:11] Grimley Graves: the big problem this last week is primary residents talking about downgrading or leaving alltogether  
[22:12] Grimley Graves: I see white 
[22:12] Shai Khalifa: you're white basic again Pauline 
[22:12] Pauline Blackswan: ok here we go 
[22:12] Pauline Blackswan: exactly 
[22:12] Pauline Blackswan: i saved it 
[22:12] Shai Khalifa: it's not even the shape you edited it to, it's just basic basic now 
[22:12] Pauline Blackswan: but relog and the jacket is gone 

TEXTURES TO CLOTHING 

[22:12] Sakai Openlife: ok try it again 
[22:12] Sakai Openlife: but wait about 3-5sec 
[22:13] Sakai Openlife: after save 
[22:13] Sakai Openlife: *so that the asset can actually have time to save 

[22:13] Shai Khalifa: that's a long time to have to wait, and anyone who doesn't know the constraint will just think it's an extremely annoying bug and start to complain 
[22:14] Sakai Openlife: ur only going to see it 
[22:14] Shai Khalifa: so will it be fixed? 
[22:14] Grimley Graves: have you read the topic I showed you Sakai? 
[22:14] Sakai Openlife: if you make save quit fast 
[22:14] Pauline Blackswan: ok saved now 
[22:14] Sakai Openlife: yeah i already read that one 
[22:14] Pauline Blackswan: let me relog 
[22:14] Pauline Blackswan is Offline 
[22:15] Pauline Blackswan is Online 
[22:15] Shai Khalifa: ah it's there now 
[22:15] Sakai Openlife:  

[22:16] Shai Khalifa: so the current rule is - save down the item - then make sure you don't log off within say 10 seconds of that action 
[22:16] Sakai Openlife: well just wait a moment if you're going to log off 
[22:16] Sakai Openlife: doesn't take long 
[22:17] Sakai Openlife: like i said we saw at most about 3 secs 

[22:17] Sakai Openlife: but you're only likely to see it if you're trying to acheive it 
[22:17] Pauline Blackswan: ok but when did happen a couple of days ago i waited longer thatn 10 seconds 
[22:17] Grimley Graves: what about textures that disappear from inv? 
[22:17] Shai Khalifa: could you please do a presis of this on the forum Sakai? 
[22:18] Sakai Openlife: replied  
[22:18] Shai Khalifa: cool 
[22:18] Grimley Graves: there have been lots of complaints of vanishing textures 
[22:18] Sakai Openlife: i haven't seen what you mentioned after the update grims 
[22:18] Sakai Openlife: yes many complaints 
[22:18] Sakai Openlife: but before the update 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: users that have sent contacts to us we have sent credits to prior to the update 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: reimbursing for lost cr 
[22:19] Pauline Blackswan: Part B has not been deployed yet 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: part b 
[22:19] Shai Khalifa: I can't test that one cos it doesn't seem to affect me for some reason that I'm grateful for 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: doesn't contain anything relating to this 
[22:19] Pauline Blackswan: what it contains? 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: Part B contains day/night 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: some additional handling to 
[22:19] Sakai Openlife: attachment positions 
[22:19] Pauline Blackswan: ok 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: some group corrections 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: a little more land handling 
[22:20] Shai Khalifa: yay 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: some additional lsl reworks 
[22:20] Grimley Graves: I would wait on B until you are sure that A has worked as advertised 
[22:20] Shai Khalifa: when's B scheduled for? 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: abd support for some 3dmee items 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: A tbh 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: is working 
[22:20] Sakai Openlife: as we expected it to 
[22:21] Sakai Openlife: if someone can reproduce a texture issue we'll put in the scope 
[22:21] Sakai Openlife: and take aim at it 
[22:21] Grimley Graves: and I really think you need to do some serious spin to reassure folks that things are ok 
[22:21] Shai Khalifa: I agree 
[22:21] Shai Khalifa: and the forum has to be the place for it 
[22:21] Grimley Graves: with all due respect, if you arent in a panic right now you arent paying attention 
[22:21] Shai Khalifa: so we can reference it to others 
[22:22] Shai Khalifa: it's a shame that we lost Cheops's project 
[22:22] Shai Khalifa: that could have had major implications 
[22:22] Sakai Openlife: what is it? 
[22:22] Grimley Graves: thats true 
[22:23] Shai Khalifa: in terms of promoting a grid for use as a meeting platform for business 
[22:23] Grimley Graves: and sha wont be online as much while she is working on the other grid 
[22:23] Shai Khalifa: she sent you an email with the outline 
[22:23] Grimley Graves: *she 
[22:23] Shai Khalifa: I know cos I edited the text for her before she sent it. 
[22:23] Sakai Openlife: what does she need that we don't have?> 
[22:24] Shai Khalifa: they've now employed her to do this work, so her time has to necessarily go to her work environment 
[22:24] Shai Khalifa: they needed stability and surety 
[22:25] Sakai Openlife: surety of ... ? 
[22:25] Sakai Openlife: we just fixed the glue issue 
[22:25] Shai Khalifa: so they've now created their own grid attached to the OS mob 
[22:25] Pauline Blackswan: whati can say is that atm OL is not trusted as a good place to develop a project 
[22:25] Sakai Openlife: well I have to say but the reviews from new users have been quite glowing 
[22:25] Shai Khalifa: that does seem to be the general inference Pauline 
[22:26] Shai Khalifa: where are the reviews? Can we see them anywhere? 
[22:26] Sakai Openlife: sure just meet new users 
[22:26] Shai Khalifa: cos I'd love to reference them for new people I meet 
[22:26] Sakai Openlife: these are the ppl i've been meeting 
[22:26] Sakai Openlife: tbh I would say 
[22:27] Sakai Openlife: cheops issue has more to do with cost 
[22:27] Shai Khalifa: give them a few days and if they last that long, they're asking serious questions 
[22:27] Sakai Openlife: than anything else 
[22:27] Shai Khalifa: no, we were going to get it started on Eriador - so no cost 
[22:27] Grimley Graves: you would have to ask her about that 
[22:27] Shai Khalifa: as the test 
[22:27] Shai Khalifa: so that wouldn't have been an issue 
[22:28] Sakai Openlife: ok then point the isse to me 
[22:28] Sakai Openlife: sincerly 
[22:28] Sakai Openlife: we have had rumbling etc before 
[22:28] Shai Khalifa: I'll get Cheops to speak to you direct on it 
[22:28] Sakai Openlife: we put an awful lot of work into fixes this month 
[22:28] Shai Khalifa: I can't speak on her behalf 
[22:28] Sakai Openlife: delivered a ton of them 
[22:28] Sakai Openlife: and some really major ones 
[22:29] Grimley Graves: maybe sha can still do part of it here 
[22:29] Shai Khalifa: and broke some major ones also 
[22:29] Sakai Openlife: the platform is quite far ahead than it's os competitors now 
[22:29] Shai Khalifa: you won't get too many disagreements on that one Sakai 
[22:29] Shai Khalifa: but - breaking textures was a big booboo 
[22:29] Grimley Graves: well, this should all be spelled out in the forums, release noted for the updates 
[22:29] Sakai Openlife: yes we broke some things in implementing a new system 
[22:30] Sakai Openlife: that we subsequently fixed 
[22:30] Grimley Graves: detailed notes 
[22:30] Sakai Openlife: we are certainly not denying this 
[22:30] Sakai Openlife: and it sucked 
[22:30] Shai Khalifa: yes, the forums need to reflect what's happening in a positive sense 
[22:30] Pauline Blackswan: Sakai let's not hide behind a finger 
[22:30] Shai Khalifa: and you guys need to drive that Sakai - that's free advertising and promotion 
[22:30] Grimley Graves: the general lack of those notes only hurts things 
[22:30] Sakai Openlife: lol I'm not sure what that means 
[22:30] Pauline Blackswan: if you clean the not renewed regions... how many will show on the map? 
[22:30] Sakai Openlife: but the notes are there 
[22:31] Pauline Blackswan: if you get green dot to be real time 
[22:31] Sakai Openlife: we put the kitchen notes up 
[22:31] Shai Khalifa: the lists are there, but not the detail 
[22:31] Grimley Graves: if we know what to expect and what we can test it's better than guessing 
[22:31] Pauline Blackswan: how many will show on the mapo at same time? 
[22:31] Shai Khalifa: ie.- we've fixed X in this update, it was caused by Y and it also affectd Z 
[22:31] Grimley Graves: I dont see release notes for part A 
[22:31] Shai Khalifa: you often explain things to us here, but that's just to us 
[22:32] Sakai Openlife: we linked back to the kitchen notes 
[22:32] Grimley Graves: just the announcement that it was done 
[22:32] Shai Khalifa: they make sense when you explain, but that's as far as they go 
[22:32] Pauline Blackswan: can somebody explane me why grids certainly worse tahn ol has so much higher number or resident or they has more reputation? 
[22:32] Shai Khalifa: because they get out there and promote them 
[22:32] Sakai Openlife: probably cos we're always taking a beating 
[22:33] Sakai Openlife: you've got a rather nasty bunch of players about 
[22:33] Shai Khalifa: we need to have a very visible face given to us 
[22:33] Sakai Openlife: *without putting a shyness on it 
[22:33] Grimley Graves: Pauline, they use the old SL interface and software so they have functions that work (like search) that we dont have 
[22:33] Shai Khalifa: one that's positive and factual 
[22:33] Pauline Blackswan: is that bad? 
[22:33] Pauline Blackswan: grim 
[22:33] Grimley Graves: they arent any more stable, (often less) 
[22:33] Sakai Openlife: certainly less 
[22:33] Sakai Openlife: and less funct 
[22:33] Shai Khalifa: I agree Grims - Avination you can't move in 
[22:34] Grimley Graves: but they are what people are used to 
[22:34] Shai Khalifa: also Avination is mainly full of sex groups and shops 
[22:34] Sakai Openlife: I can say we do certainly hope to raise profile with the 3DMee change kicking off on monday 
[22:34] Shai Khalifa: it's all about selling and commerce 
[22:34] Pauline Blackswan: avn is quite a sh... but IW made big steps in terms of stability and functions 
[22:35] Shai Khalifa: oh, Melly has come back 
[22:35] Sakai Openlife: Charli *new region owner 
[22:35] Sakai Openlife: interestingly specifically listed 
[22:35] Sakai Openlife: iw as a major dislike 
[22:35] Shai Khalifa: yes, I get that 
[22:35] Shai Khalifa: I greeted Charli when she first arrived 
[22:36] Shai Khalifa: we had a very long conversation 
[22:36] Sakai Openlife: Monday you guys have got search 
[22:36] Sakai Openlife: in more ways than one 
[22:36] Grimley Graves: well, I dont much care for IW as well, I visit friends there, do some RP, but would never get a region there 
[22:36] Sakai Openlife: and a whole new web 
[22:36] Sakai Openlife: it's very self promoting 
[22:36] Grimley Graves: but the things newbies ask me about the most are basic things 
[22:36] Shai Khalifa: so is there any other promotion being done? you doing interviews? 
[22:36] Sakai Openlife: Openlife to a degree 
[22:37] Shai Khalifa: getting in the web media? 
[22:37] Sakai Openlife: yes has stayed in the shade 
[22:37] Shai Khalifa: posting on virtual world blogs etc? 
[22:37] Sakai Openlife: while we worked through 
[22:37] Sakai Openlife: yes 
[22:37] Sakai Openlife: shai of course 
[22:37] Sakai Openlife:  
[22:37] Grimley Graves: search, mainland, why the default av cant be adjusted, etc 
[22:37] Shai Khalifa: good 
[22:37] Pauline Blackswan: may be i missed something ... what's the amyor dislike of IW? 
[22:37] Sakai Openlife: honestly when ppl tell me they don't like xyz place 
[22:38] Grimley Graves: search starting on monday??? 
[22:38] Sakai Openlife: I usually try to turn the conversation positive 
[22:38] Sakai Openlife: and help them to have a good time here 
[22:38] Sakai Openlife: yes you heard me right Grims 
[22:38] Sakai Openlife: it's part of the the 3DMee site 
[22:39] Sakai Openlife: that we previewed a few weeks back in the forum 
[22:39] Sakai Openlife: I did have a little note to share about it for the meet 
[22:39] Grimley Graves: if search is starting on monday, as well as the switch over why haven't you been shouting this from the highest rooftops??? 
[22:39] Sakai Openlife: if I can 
[22:39] Sakai Openlife: because we were knuckled down into 0.8.4.9 
[22:39] Grimley Graves: this should be something you should be crowing about  
[22:39] Sakai Openlife: fixing our own mess 
[22:40] Sakai Openlife: now that we're out of the 0.8.4.9 dev work 
[22:40] Sakai Openlife: we can put time into moving to 3dmee 
[22:40] Sakai Openlife: and shouting a lot  
[22:40] Grimley Graves: and in the forums too!! 
[22:40] Sakai Openlife: I have a long post 
[22:40] Sakai Openlife: I've been drafting this morning 
[22:40] Grimley Graves: the core residents NEED to know good things are happening !! 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: it will appear a little later today 
[22:41] Shai Khalifa: hehe, you want me to spell check it?? 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: well 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: if anyone wants to get vocal 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: about 3dmee 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: we could use some hands 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: that's for sure 
[22:41] Shai Khalifa: I'm happy to help out this weekend 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: so this will be in the forum anyway 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: but 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: the 'object' search 
[22:41] Sakai Openlife: rewind a little 

SEARCH 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: search has 4 options 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: off the top of my head 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: or 3? 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: general search 
[22:42] Shai Khalifa: 4 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: searches through everything 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: mix of av profiles 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: groups 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: land 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: etc 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: group search 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: find you groups 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: there was a condition to being shown 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: but i forget 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: I think it's being public 
[22:42] Sakai Openlife: group 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: av search is as it is 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: searches av names 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: then you can go to profile 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: and friend if you like etc 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: item search was the one i wanted to mention 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: item search if you can read where we're going with it 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: (between the lines) 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: you can sarch items 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: that are set show in search 
[22:43] Sakai Openlife: and that are for sale 
[22:44] Shai Khalifa: wasn't there one for Events also? 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: only if more than 0credits 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: no we didn't search events 
[22:44] Shai Khalifa: ok 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: to be listed in search 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: the item needs to be show in search 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: AFTER 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: and update next week 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: *so don't run away and set now 
[22:44] Shai Khalifa: hehe, yes, cos it doesn't work atm 
[22:44] Sakai Openlife: but do unset if you have set it 
[22:45] Shai Khalifa: they don't stay set 
[22:45] Grimley Graves: so we need to toggle that on our items? 
[22:45] Sakai Openlife: only if you want them to appear in search 
[22:45] Sakai Openlife: so 
[22:45] Sakai Openlife: for example 
[22:45] Sakai Openlife: if you have boxed something for sale 
[22:45] Sakai Openlife: that 'box' 
[22:45] Sakai Openlife: will appear in search 
[22:45] Shai Khalifa: you'll need to go around and do it once it's all turned on. I tried the other day, just to be prepared a bit - but the checkbox doesn't stay checked yet 
[22:46] Sakai Openlife: it won't list the contents etc (yet) 
[22:46] Sakai Openlife: but later 
[22:46] Sakai Openlife: we're working to use some datamining 
[22:46] Sakai Openlife: and introduce buying with credits over the site 
[22:46] Sakai Openlife: ie it will look in the contents 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: and show those to the user 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: and perms 
[22:47] Shai Khalifa: will we need to do anything specific to allow things to be delivered inworld? 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: and allow them to buy there and then 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: nope 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: nothing at all 
[22:47] Shai Khalifa: cool 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: Show 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: it will also pull the texture 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: off the box 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: and show it in the search 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: and if you put a texture inside 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: with a special name 
[22:47] Sakai Openlife: that would show too 
[22:48] Grimley Graves: thats awesome but the most important thing is search basics working, anything after is a bonus 
[22:48] Sakai Openlife: already done grims 
[22:48] Shai Khalifa: phew 
[22:48] Grimley Graves: but tested is another thing 
[22:48] Sakai Openlife: this isn't something i need to do before monday 
[22:48] Sakai Openlife: it's done we will do the update on monday 
[22:48] Shai Khalifa: then we can test it inworld 
[22:49] Shai Khalifa: nice 
[22:49] Sakai Openlife: and out of world too 
[22:49] Shai Khalifa:  
[22:49] Sakai Openlife: its available on both sides 
[22:49] Grimley Graves: so you can search inworld and on the web? 
[22:49] Sakai Openlife: yep 
[22:49] Grimley Graves: nice 
[22:49] Sakai Openlife: and you don't need to be logged in to the webn 
[22:49] Sakai Openlife: to search 
[22:49] Sakai Openlife: *yuou do if you want the tp 
[22:50] Sakai Openlife: or if you want more profile info 
[22:50] Shai Khalifa: the benefit of having the search web-based that also doubles inworld, is that you can have your browser on another screen if you have one - and search on that screen - like having tearoff window 
[22:50] Sakai Openlife: yes if you've got 2 screens 
[22:50] Sakai Openlife: really handy 
[22:51] Sakai Openlife: i think some ppl might have noticed 
[22:51] Sakai Openlife: your parcel counts 
[22:51] Sakai Openlife: are going back up again 
[22:51] Grimley Graves: as long as inworld search is easy enough for a monkey to use people will be happy 
[22:51] Sakai Openlife: your search places 
[22:51] Sakai Openlife: are relvancy and visitor ranked 
[22:51] Sakai Openlife: for position 
[22:52] Grimley Graves: oh, TP from inworld search??? 
[22:52] Sakai Openlife: yes in out 
[22:52] Sakai Openlife: both 
[22:52] Grimley Graves:  
[22:52] Shai Khalifa: can visitor numbers be stacked? Are they linked to time on the parcel? 
[22:52] Sakai Openlife: no they are not linked to time on parcel 
[22:52] Sakai Openlife: and likewise 
[22:52] Shai Khalifa: good 
[22:52] Sakai Openlife: walking across the border over and over 
[22:52] Sakai Openlife: won't give you the desired effect 
[22:52] Shai Khalifa: double good 
[22:53] Sakai Openlife: although we have considered time 'weightings' 
[22:53] Sakai Openlife: although nothing like the time given to parcel count 
[22:53] Sakai Openlife: in SL 
[22:54] Grimley Graves: to me anyway, parcel counts are a curiosity only, not that important 
[22:54] Grimley Graves: search is much more important 
[22:54] Shai Khalifa: and can easily be managed by a visitor counter, set to collision - and stretched as an invisible phantom prim across the parcel 

MESH AND HE NEW VIEWER 

[22:55] Sakai Openlife: behidn me is a screenshot of some new viewer work 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: Klee tells me not quite ready yet 
[22:56] Shai Khalifa: I thought that looked different 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: and still a little on our end not done yet too 
[22:56] Grimley Graves: and a grey zombie LOL 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: we were hoping for aug 1st 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: but we'll probably miss it 
[22:56] Shai Khalifa: it's very like his new SL viewer in colour ect 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: and make it sometime in august 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: complete with shadows 
[22:56] Sakai Openlife: and possibly mesh 
[22:56] Shai Khalifa: hehe, yeah 1st is very close 
[22:56] Shai Khalifa: ah, I've been asked about mesh in OL 
[22:57] Sakai Openlife: the answer on mesh us yes 
[22:57] Shai Khalifa: evidently the cost to upload in SL is extortionatE 
[22:57] Pauline Blackswan: MESH???? 
[22:57] Sakai Openlife: we're already testing with it 
[22:57] Sakai Openlife: in our office world 
[22:57] Shai Khalifa: you have any idea on what likely cost structure is likely to be? 
[22:57] Sakai Openlife: not yet 
[22:57] Sakai Openlife: but it wouldn't surprise me if it's something like 150cr a model 
[22:57] Shai Khalifa: you know these are things that can and should be on the web - as Thread or section on "what's coming" 
[22:57] Grimley Graves: mesh is using standars 3D file formats to bring in objects 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: collada 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: so you could say 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: go to google sketchup 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: find something you like 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: say taipei 101 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: huge building 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: and import it 
[22:58] Grimley Graves: more versatile than sculpts 
[22:58] Pauline Blackswan: rendering cost for the engine? 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: yes and a little no 
[22:58] Sakai Openlife: they are expensive to render 
[22:58] Pauline Blackswan: limit to number of vertex? 
[22:59] Sakai Openlife: and they 'can' be big 
[22:59] Sakai Openlife: at the same time 
[22:59] Sakai Openlife: they are only physical by bounding box 
[22:59] Shai Khalifa: so you use less but use the same resources? 
[22:59] Sakai Openlife: physics for the mesh object is going to be done 'in' the viewer 
[22:59] Sakai Openlife: not in the server 
[22:59] Sakai Openlife: like everything else 
[22:59] Shai Khalifa: ok, so will that have implications for graphics cards? 
[23:00] Shai Khalifa: Hi Melly, come on in 
[23:00] Sakai Openlife: depends on how you use them 
[23:00] Pauline Blackswan: ok i shall throw away my shoes and attach meshes to people? 
[23:00] Melly MooMoo: hi just rezzing :0) 
[23:00] Sakai Openlife: no not necessarily 
[23:00] Grimley Graves: it's a different way to do the same thing Pauline... 
[23:00] Sakai Openlife: its a case of 10 of 1 and 10 of another 
[23:01] Grimley Graves: no need to thro away what you already have 
[23:01] Shai Khalifa: One question I know we'll get is what is the most efficient on viewer/server - sculpts or meshes? 
[23:01] Sakai Openlife: it's not necessarily better or worse 
[23:01] Sakai Openlife: but can be both 
[23:01] Grimley Graves: hi Melly 
[23:01] Melly MooMoo: hey 
[23:01] Sakai Openlife: well take a look at sculpt 
[23:01] Sakai Openlife: as an example 
[23:01] Sakai Openlife: you're quite limited in it's design 
[23:01] Pauline Blackswan: yes 
[23:01] Sakai Openlife: because it always needs to 'wrap' an object 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: but it's quite light 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: for the user to download 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: only a small texture 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: in addition to the regular texture 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: server side 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: when asking for physics 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: on the sculpt 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: it's expensive task 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: but no more expensive 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: if you have 100 if the same 1 
[23:02] Sakai Openlife: or just 1 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: but yes quite limiting 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: mesh on the other hand can be large 
[23:03] Grimley Graves: I can see both living happily on the grid at the same time 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: for the user to download 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: let's say tecture was 100kb 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: but model (mesh) 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: is 8Mb 
[23:03] Shai Khalifa: holy cow 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: having a lot of them around 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: might be a 100mb of new download 
[23:03] Sakai Openlife: for the user 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: model can be small too though 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: just a few kb 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: so it depends on the complexity of the model 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: they are not limited in the way sculpts are 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: in shape 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: and there's a lot more tools 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: you can use 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: to make them 
[23:04] Shai Khalifa: that was going to be my next question - because small can also be complex and does that have greater impact 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: but 
[23:04] Sakai Openlife: as mentioned earlier 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: physics at least initially 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: will only be a bounding boxc 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: so if you needed physics internallu 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: in say a building 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: made from a mesh 
[23:05] Shai Khalifa: ah, so they have to be phantom? 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: model 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: you might want to stick prims in there! 
[23:05] Shai Khalifa: kk - we lived with that in SL with sculpts 
[23:05] Sakai Openlife: but in saying that a sculpted house would be pretty terrible 
[23:06] Shai Khalifa: aspects though may be used as mesh - like for stairs, ballistrades etc 
[23:06] Sakai Openlife: so when we get them 
[23:06] Sakai Openlife: and if you use them 
[23:06] Sakai Openlife: it's a case of applying detail 
[23:06] Sakai Openlife: where you want it 
[23:06] Sakai Openlife: and just balancing what you do 
[23:06] Sakai Openlife: *which you already do in existing regions 
[23:07] Sakai Openlife: Hi Melly 
[23:07] Sakai Openlife:  
[23:07] Melly MooMoo: hey :0) 
[23:07] Melly MooMoo: found my way back into openlife :0) 
[23:07] Sakai Openlife: welcome  
[23:08] Melly MooMoo: forgot password of old av.. so have been reborn :0) 
[23:08] Grimley Graves: you show as offline to me melly  
[23:08] Shai Khalifa: So is it possible to get a "what's coming" section on the web? Things for people to anticipate and maybe discuss? 
[23:08] Melly MooMoo: new av grimley 
[23:08] Sakai Openlife: possibly 
[23:08] Sakai Openlife: or we'll jsut write articles 
[23:08] Grimley Graves: ah, ok 
[23:08] Sakai Openlife: it will make sense on monday 
[23:09] Sakai Openlife: when you see the new design 
[23:09] Grimley Graves: speaking of friendslists... 
[23:09] Sakai Openlife: but there is support for articles 
[23:09] Sakai Openlife: and comments 
[23:09] Sakai Openlife: hi clay 
[23:09] Shai Khalifa: hey Clay 
[23:09] Clay Duport: hi all carry on im just lurking 
[23:09] Grimley Graves: can we get an update on whats going on with that 
[23:09] Sakai Openlife: looks like you're ready for the beach 
[23:09] Grimley Graves: hi Clay 
[23:09] Clay Duport: hye grim sai everyone 
[23:09] Pauline Blackswan: hello Clay 
[23:09] Sakai Openlife: with appropriate pose! 
[23:10] Grimley Graves: friendslist will fix a whole slew of issues right now 
[23:10] Melly MooMoo: chilling lol 
[23:10] Clay Duport: pauline  
[23:10] Shai Khalifa: I'll post the chatlog later today for anyone who wants to catch bakc up 
[23:10] Clay Duport: yep 
[23:10] Surreal Numbers: hi melly and clay 
[23:10] Grimley Graves: green dots, edit perms, etc 
[23:10] Melly MooMoo: hey nice to be back 
[23:10] Sakai Openlife: the friends rework 
[23:10] Clay Duport: sur :0 
[23:10] Sakai Openlife: will arrive with the online friending 
[23:10] Sakai Openlife: probably about 1-2 weeks away I would hazard as a guess 
[23:11] Shai Khalifa: ah good, so that also means that you'll be able to accept Friend invitations sent to you while you're offline? 
[23:11] Sakai Openlife: yes on the web 
[23:11] Grimley Graves: can I quote you on that? *POKE* 
[23:11] Sakai Openlife: sure 
[23:11] Shai Khalifa: hehe 
[23:11] Sakai Openlife: so the idea is that you can use that AV search 
[23:11] Grimley Graves: in other words we will keep poking to keep you focused LOL 
[23:11] Sakai Openlife: and friend someone there 
[23:11] Grimley Graves: hey Baj 
[23:11] Sakai Openlife: as well as in world 
[23:11] Shai Khalifa: g'day Baj 
[23:12] Sakai Openlife: so you can see we're trying to make transparency between in world and out 
[23:12] Sakai Openlife: handy if you're somewhere on your phone etc 
[23:12] Melly MooMoo: just going to try old avie again.. be right back :0) 
[23:12] Shai Khalifa: OracL is currently offline by the way - so the chat log will have to be a loooooooong post on the forum 
[23:13] Clay Duport: works for me shai 
[23:13] Sakai Openlife: another item in our long post 
[23:13] Grimley Graves: thats nice, but concentrating on the inworld experiance should be the priority 
[23:13] Sakai Openlife: they go together grims 
[23:13] Grimley Graves: if it comes hand in hand then cool 
[23:13] Sakai Openlife: and in the viewer behind me 
[23:13] Sakai Openlife: a large amount of web 
[23:13] Sakai Openlife: is actually pulled into the viewer 
[23:13] Sakai Openlife: blending it even further 
[23:14] Sakai Openlife: hi there Bajaron 
[23:14] Shai Khalifa: will we also have those icons that represent groups of objects (in inventory) - sorry, can't remember the correct term 
[23:14] bajaron tacho: hello! 
[23:14] Sakai Openlife: yes caollescing 
[23:14] Sakai Openlife: coa 
[23:14] Shai Khalifa: that's it 
[23:14] Shai Khalifa: I've been asking about them now for about 2 and half years 
[23:14] Sakai Openlife: we've got it working in 2 styles atm 
[23:14] Sakai Openlife: in the pffworld beta 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: offworld 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: for us 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: we still need to decide on which method 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: is best 
[23:15] Pauline Blackswan: well guys i am so sorry because today's meeting is very interesting but my brain has already taken the "road to bed" 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: and then get to testing 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: nps pauline 
[23:15] Shai Khalifa: and the thing that goes hand in hand with them is that when you rez an item it remains selected in Edit mode 
[23:15] Clay Duport: lol pauline good nighty 
[23:15] Sakai Openlife: glad we could demo the clothes with you today 
[23:15] Grimley Graves: we can send you a log if you want Pauline 
[23:15] Shai Khalifa: hehe Pauline, coffee wearing off now? 
[23:16] Clay Duport: no whisky kicking in  
[23:16] Sakai Openlife: it's the viewer 
[23:16] Sakai Openlife: that decides it's in select 
[23:16] Shai Khalifa: hehe 
[23:16] Pauline Blackswan: take care friends and yes Grimley pls, at least teh part i will miss from now 
[23:16] Pauline Blackswan: ciao 
[23:16] Shai Khalifa: cos it would be great if that were the default 
[23:16] Grimley Graves: ok, will do 
[23:16] bajaron tacho: see ya pauline 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: we will probably have klee in an upcoming meet 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: to explain a lot more about his funky bits 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: that will be in the viewer 
[23:17] Shai Khalifa: ah good - be good to see him again 
[23:17] Grimley Graves: when will the new viewer hit? 
[23:17] Shai Khalifa: hehe - wonder if he includes submarines 
[23:17] Grimley Graves: and will it be required? 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: i can say for sure but 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: it will be required 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: it's quite a few generations ahead of this 
[23:17] Grimley Graves: ok 
[23:17] Sakai Openlife: and a world update is also in order too 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: but i would 'expect' it 
[23:18] Shai Khalifa: that's not onerous though - we've had this viewer for over a year 
[23:18] Grimley Graves: world update?!?! 
[23:18] Grimley Graves: *GULP* 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: yes because the image behind me i took 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: when i was with you here 
[23:18] Shai Khalifa hangs on to Grims 
[23:18] Clay Duport: lol big ball to play with grim 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: appearance and things like this 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: are different 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: because you an wear 3 shirts 
[23:18] Sakai Openlife: or 4 attachments on the same point etc 
[23:19] Sakai Openlife: it's because it's such a huge update 
[23:19] Sakai Openlife: i can't put an exact day on it yet 
[23:19] Shai Khalifa: looks all grey to me - with cloud avatars 
[23:19] Sakai Openlife: because it's just not something we can rush out 
[23:19] Sakai Openlife: yes because that's connected to here Shai 
[23:19] Grimley Graves: oh noes :S didn't we just go thru that LOL 
[23:19] Shai Khalifa: ah kk 
[23:19] Sakai Openlife: and we're not up to 0.8.9 series in world yet 
[23:20] Sakai Openlife: we're on 0.8.4.9 
[23:20] Grimley Graves: so it needs 8.9? 
[23:20] Sakai Openlife: yep 
[23:20] Shai Khalifa: Sakai you will go slowly slowly for us for a little while won't you? 
[23:20] Grimley Graves: ok, so awhile from now 
[23:20] Shai Khalifa: we all need a breather 
[23:20] Sakai Openlife: you know us we have to keep improving 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: u find things 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: we fix em 
[23:21] Grimley Graves: yes, please, let us test things before changing too much 
[23:21] Shai Khalifa: yes, but we've been throught he mill just the last few months 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: and make em better 
[23:21] Shai Khalifa: and it's a wonder a few of us sitting here are actually STILL here 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: it's a pretty big jump indeed 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: but 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: considering the recent experience 
[23:21] Sakai Openlife: you know we'll be a ton more thorough 
[23:22] Shai Khalifa: I'd rather we didn't get the new viewer till Christmas 
[23:22] Grimley Graves: of 2030 
[23:22] Sakai Openlife: haha 
[23:22] Grimley Graves: lol 
[23:22] bajaron tacho: heh 
[23:22] Shai Khalifa: if it meant some predictability and population growth 
[23:22] Sakai Openlife: well we have a good stable platform atm 
[23:22] Sakai Openlife: behind me you can see only a few items 
[23:22] Sakai Openlife: that need to be brought up 
[23:23] Sakai Openlife: so it's not like we're ripping the guts out and replacing them 
[23:23] Sakai Openlife: a lot fo the recent large changes are all targets for version 1.0 
[23:23] Sakai Openlife: ie the asset system is here 
[23:23] Sakai Openlife: it can be improveed but it won't be replaced 
[23:24] Shai Khalifa: the cloud seems to be behaving now too 
[23:24] Sakai Openlife: we did remarkable well the the primitve old one we had for 3+yrs 
[23:24] Grimley Graves: as long as it works and isn't losing things 
[23:24] Sakai Openlife: it's actually an awful lot safer 
[23:24] Sakai Openlife: *which to us is a big deal 
[23:24] Grimley Graves: us too 
[23:24] Shai Khalifa nods 
[23:25] Sakai Openlife: missing a single texture is nothing to losing the whole world 
[23:25] Grimley Graves: true 
[23:25] Shai Khalifa: gulp 
[23:25] Sakai Openlife: it's also given us new abilities 
[23:25] Sakai Openlife:  
[23:25] Sakai Openlife: liek those web bits i was metnioning earlier 
[23:26] Sakai Openlife: for the default av Q that you asked me earlier yes 
[23:26] Sakai Openlife: we're ready 
[23:26] Sakai Openlife: to do it 
[23:26] Shai Khalifa: Well Sakai, if you can get out there and promote us and get our numbers up and stable for us - we're doing our bit 
[23:26] Sakai Openlife: Shai and co were putting together some new av's 
[23:26] Shai Khalifa: ah yes, Caro and Pauline and I are working on it 
[23:26] Shai Khalifa: but the latest little hiccup was the clothing textures thing 
[23:26] bajaron tacho: I didn't want to break into the train of the conversation but is it OK to promote OPENLIFE to others rightnow? 
[23:26] Sakai Openlife: yes 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: no worries bajaron 
[23:27] Shai Khalifa: yesyes Baj 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: actually 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: the big answer is yes 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: but 
[23:27] bajaron tacho: k 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: I would say from monday 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: because actually openlife will become 3DMee 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: from monday 
[23:27] Shai Khalifa: I'll put the log of the entire meeting up on the forum later, so you can read back about what we've been saying 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: so on Monday we deliver a new site 
[23:27] Sakai Openlife: new brand 
[23:27] Melly MooMoo: thank you shai :0) 
[23:27] bajaron tacho: k thanks 'cause I just got home from work heh 
[23:28] Sakai Openlife: and we start shining to the rest of the non-3d world 
[23:28] bajaron tacho: our existing parcels will be OK? 
[23:28] Sakai Openlife: yep 
[23:28] Clay Duport: that is critical sakai. we have are losing the battle with new people 
[23:28] Sakai Openlife: everything will be here 
[23:28] Shai Khalifa: we just have a new name Baj 
[23:28] Sakai Openlife: even i will be here 
[23:28] bajaron tacho: k 
[23:28] Sakai Openlife: but I'm not sure about my last name 
[23:28] Sakai Openlife: lol 
[23:29] Shai Khalifa: hehe - deed poll 
[23:29] Clay Duport: mastet will do 
[23:29] Clay Duport: master 
[23:29] Shai Khalifa: well I've named the quiz game QMee 
[23:29] Sakai Openlife: i could rename myself as fish hit 
[23:29] Sakai Openlife: for a while 
[23:29] Shai Khalifa: in honour of the new tag 
[23:29] Sakai Openlife: seeing as i have been hit by a fish the last few weeks 
[23:29] Sakai Openlife: (sometimes deservingly so) 
[23:29] Shai Khalifa throws Sakai a mullet 
[23:29] Clay Duport: its not all your fault 
[23:30] Sakai Openlife: but we're excited 
[23:30] Clay Duport: ot the team 
[23:30] Sakai Openlife: and we think we can excite you with it too 
[23:30] Melly MooMoo: sounds good :0) 
[23:30] Shai Khalifa: one thing that really irks me though - is the pink and blue in the 'e's 
[23:30] Sakai Openlife: yeah we just want you to have fun 
[23:30] Shai Khalifa: that's soooooooooooooo bad 
[23:30] Grimley Graves: well, communicating the good things to the forums will really help calm the fears of us 
[23:30] Sakai Openlife: the blue and pink in the e's? 
[23:30] Sakai Openlife: lol 
[23:30] Shai Khalifa nods to Grims 
[23:30] Sakai Openlife: what should they be? 
[23:31] Grimley Graves: both pink 
[23:31] Sakai Openlife: y? 
[23:31] Grimley Graves:  
[23:31] Melly MooMoo: where can i find the forums.. on the main web page?? 
[23:31] Shai Khalifa: anything but something as obviously sexist 
[23:31] Sakai Openlife: maybe they should rotate? 
[23:31] Clay Duport: yes main web 
[23:31] Melly MooMoo: ty 
[23:31] Grimley Graves: because Shai sooo loves pink  
[23:31] Shai Khalifa: the link's in the menu Melly 
[23:31] Clay Duport: or in manage your account 
[23:31] Sakai Openlife: all pink all blue 
[23:31] Melly MooMoo: coolio ty 
[23:31] Sakai Openlife: pink and blue 
[23:31] Sakai Openlife: the odd purple 
[23:31] Shai Khalifa: all blue 
[23:31] Shai Khalifa: blue 
[23:31] Sakai Openlife: hehe 
[23:31] Shai Khalifa: purple 
[23:31] Grimley Graves: how about eyes? 
[23:31] Shai Khalifa: eyes is good 
[23:32] Grimley Graves: or is that too creepy? 
[23:32] Sakai Openlife: if i ever find some of the candidates 
[23:32] Sakai Openlife: we have for it 
[23:32] Clay Duport: grim cadavers dont need eyes 
[23:32] Sakai Openlife: rumbling around my notebook 
[23:32] Shai Khalifa: you're the creepiest thing we have on the grid Grims 
[23:32] Sakai Openlife: I think you'll agree that pink and blue was best 
[23:32] Grimley Graves: pssh 
[23:32] Shai Khalifa: nooooo, not pink AND blue 
[23:32] Sakai Openlife: a little color that actually lets us 
[23:32] Sakai Openlife: put more color into pages 
[23:33] Sakai Openlife: which is why those 3dmee pages look so rich na dinviting 
[23:33] Clay Duport: grim is the example of what too much wine women and song to you you 
[23:33] Sakai Openlife: *as you'll get to see on monday 
[23:33] Shai Khalifa: just not the iconic use of pink and blue 
[23:33] Melly MooMoo: lol @ clay 
[23:33] Grimley Graves: or not enough  
[23:33] bajaron tacho: or pina coladas, like I have right now lol 
[23:33] Shai Khalifa: lol 
[23:33] Clay Duport: margarita here 
[23:33] Shai Khalifa: ooooo, one for me too Baj - omg one of them too Clay 
[23:34] Grimley Graves: ok, we have covered the texture bug, search, friends lists, and the new viewer... 
[23:34] Shai Khalifa: they're the best thing about the Margueritavilles 
[23:34] Shai Khalifa: green dots 
[23:34] Grimley Graves: last thing on my list is welcome island (broken record I know) 
[23:34] Sakai Openlife: someone should at least give us glue kudos 
[23:34] Sakai Openlife: that i can pass back to the team 
[23:34] Clay Duport: and false number of people on regions 
[23:34] Shai Khalifa: sorry, I know Grims raised them earlier 
[23:34] Grimley Graves: glue? 
[23:35] Sakai Openlife: *stuck bug 
[23:35] Grimley Graves: ah, ok 
[23:35] Shai Khalifa: hehe - mate that one does truly deserve a medal for you guys 
[23:35] Grimley Graves: well, give them kudos for every bug they squash  
[23:35] Sakai Openlife: you should 
[23:35] Grimley Graves: but extra for that one 
[23:35] Sakai Openlife: it energizes them 
[23:35] Sakai Openlife: I'm sure 
[23:35] Shai Khalifa: hehe, we do, we do 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: well like us 
[23:36] Clay Duport: well most of the time 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: same advice 
[23:36] Shai Khalifa: and if we could do that in The Kitchen we would I"m sure 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: hit the forum 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: and tell em  
[23:36] Clay Duport: some times we do curse you  
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: yes we see that 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: lol 
[23:36] Clay Duport: but it is all in growing pains 
[23:36] Shai Khalifa: can we give kudos in the The Kitchen? 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: unfortunately we can't 
[23:36] Shai Khalifa: awww 
[23:36] Sakai Openlife: but you can kudos the forums 

ATTACHMENT ISSUE 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: I should quickly say about the attachment issue 
[23:37] Clay Duport: why not a message base to the team 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: y it occurrs 
[23:37] Clay Duport: like contacrt us thingy 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: and *fixed in part b 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: update 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: so you only saw this issue 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: if you tp'd away 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: or logoff quickly 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: after editing attachment 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: the previous behaviour 
[23:37] Sakai Openlife: was that every change you made 
[23:37] Shai Khalifa: ah, so it was remembering it's rezzed position? 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: to an attachment 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: it would make a new asset 
[23:38] Clay Duport: is there a reason for long delays when you log on for ability to see about land items 
[23:38] Clay Duport: or start music etc 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: which is simple 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: but not ideal 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: and the reason is say 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: i edit a little 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: then edit a bit more 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: and a bit more 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: as we o 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: when we fidddle with attachments 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: i might have made say 10-15 assets 
[23:38] Sakai Openlife: that will never see the light of day 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: because i edited it again 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: so only the last asset i made 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: when i edited 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: is useful 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: the rest 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: just became bloat 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: in the asset system 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: *orphans* 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: when we switched to the new system 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: this bloat is gone 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: because we look for finalization 
[23:39] Sakai Openlife: + grace time 
[23:40] Shai Khalifa: ahhhh - now it makes sense 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: as we found in our stats 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: that when you edited things 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: you did it alot 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: and not always the same thing 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: so atm 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: if you were editing attachments 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: then did some other things in your region 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: for a few minutes it would be fine 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: when u came back 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: but under 'some' cases 
[23:40] Sakai Openlife: if u tp'd away 
[23:41] Shai Khalifa: or crashed 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: or logged off 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: or even viewer crash 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: they would not 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: in part B update 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: that is likely later this afternoon 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: we have already identified those scenarios 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: and accounted for them 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: so in 99% of cases it should be as expected 
[23:41] Grimley Graves: please, please, please post this kind of info to the forums? it would be sooo welcome 
[23:41] Shai Khalifa: that's your 'afternoon'? 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: yeah so in about 8hrs 
[23:41] Sakai Openlife: we try to do updates 
[23:42] Grimley Graves: just so we can understand how the system works 
[23:42] Sakai Openlife: around 8-9am utc 
[23:42] Shai Khalifa: yes, this is exactly that sort of thing you guys should put up in the forum - that we can then reference to others 
[23:42] Sakai Openlife: *as this is usually the quietest time 
[23:42] Shai Khalifa: hehe, it's often just me and Surreal or just me online then 
[23:42] Sakai Openlife: because we don't want to interrupt peak times etc 
[23:43] Grimley Graves: maybe create a new section in the forums called "how the world works" 
[23:43] Sakai Openlife: my last thing 
[23:43] Sakai Openlife: i had in my notes to mention 
[23:43] Shai Khalifa nods to Grims 

MAINLAND AS BETA TESTING AREA 

[23:43] Sakai Openlife: was we were thinking of making a ring of fire 
[23:43] Grimley Graves: with nice explainations of how stuff functions 
[23:43] Sakai Openlife: a set of regions in openlife 
[23:43] Sakai Openlife: that are a revision ahead 
[23:43] Shai Khalifa: you're singing Johnny Cash songs now? 
[23:44] Melly MooMoo: lol was gonna say that shai 
[23:44] Sakai Openlife: so that we would deploy live test 
[23:44] Sakai Openlife: to these regions first 
[23:44] Sakai Openlife: before to everyone else 
[23:44] Grimley Graves: how about making it a new mainland??? 
[23:44] Shai Khalifa: coolies - so we can help you test out too? 
[23:44] Clay Duport: yes 
[23:44] Grimley Graves: thats another thing that people seem to want 
[23:44] Sakai Openlife: well for us to do it 
[23:44] Clay Duport: preview regions 
[23:44] Sakai Openlife: it would need to be user input 
[23:45] Sakai Openlife: so we were thinking something like $20 regions 
[23:45] Sakai Openlife: in a limited qty 
[23:45] Sakai Openlife: as part of the ring of fire 
[23:45] Shai Khalifa: that would work for mainland regions - with no choice of location 
[23:45] Grimley Graves: yes, as a big mainland area 
[23:45] Sakai Openlife: it would literally be a riing 
[23:45] Clay Duport: brings up a question i have are lite regions a thing of the past 
[23:45] Sakai Openlife: of 16 regions 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: *I'll answer that in a moment 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: the reason for the $20 
[23:46] Shai Khalifa: I was under the impression lite regions were coming with the new viewer 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: is that they may have broken function 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: they will get updated 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: frequently 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: and at inopportune times 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: with little to no notice 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: but cheap 
[23:46] Shai Khalifa: if people knew that when they bought them - that they were testing regions 
[23:46] Sakai Openlife: so that would pay the budget to get them online 
[23:46] Shai Khalifa: I'm sure they'd still sell 
[23:47] Sakai Openlife: the names would also be fixed 
[23:47] Sakai Openlife: ie ROFTest 01 
[23:47] Sakai Openlife: etc 
[23:47] Sakai Openlife: not pretty 
[23:47] Sakai Openlife: they would also run heavy debug 
[23:47] Shai Khalifa: hehe, but they'd make good entry level for a number of people 
[23:47] bajaron tacho: I was thinking along the same lines as an option to attract new folks ... the ability to purchase a smaller parcel .. it might be a good incentive for new folks ... but might be a lot of overheads on existing servers 

LITE REGIONS 

[23:48] Sakai Openlife: about lite regions... 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: we haven't forgotten them, 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: Northern next door 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: is actually a running lite region 
[23:48] Clay Duport: kool 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: there is an update coming to the web 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: besides the 3dmee stuff 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: that changes the land store 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: so that we can get location in there 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: too 
[23:48] Shai Khalifa: yay 
[23:48] Sakai Openlife: and some room for future options 
[23:49] Sakai Openlife: when we do this update 
[23:49] Sakai Openlife: we will release lite regions 
[23:49] Sakai Openlife: *this all ties in with the 3dmee puch 
[23:49] Sakai Openlife: push 
[23:49] Sakai Openlife: we think $29.95 rghions 
[23:49] Sakai Openlife: are a good entry level 
[23:50] Shai Khalifa: yep, good for existing region owners too 
[23:52] bajaron tacho: I am online almost everyday ... will be glad to help out where I can ... 
[23:52] Grimley Graves: problem Clay ?LOL 
[23:52] Shai Khalifa: you doing any specials to coincide with the new name? 
[23:52] Clay Duport: nope just lost 
[23:52] Sakai Openlife: we have the new bundle 
[23:52] Sakai Openlife: of 2 months + credits 
[23:53] Sakai Openlife: http://openlifegrid.com/VirtualLand 

PREMIUM UPLOADS ISSUE 

[23:53] Grimley Graves: oh, anyone else having trouble with the premium uploads?? 
[23:53] Sakai Openlife: what is the trouble? 
[23:53] Shai Khalifa: no, mine seem to be counting ok 
[23:53] Grimley Graves: I'm being charged and I'm sure I havent used my allotment yet 
[23:54] Sakai Openlife: I can take a look 
[23:54] Sakai Openlife: 1 mom 
[23:55] Shai Khalifa: Surreal is there a theme for VLE this week? 
[23:56] Sakai Openlife: 32 left 
[23:57] Grimley Graves: thats what I thought but I have been charged for the last few days 
[23:57] Grimley Graves: since the update 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: bulk upload? 
[23:58] Grimley Graves: both 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: i see 3 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: in tx 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: 7/28 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: 9.45 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: were they bulk upload? 
[23:58] You paid C 5 to upload. 
[23:58] Upload Completed, new item added to inventory! 
[23:58] Shai Khalifa: ah, actually, I just uploaded a single image and was charged for it 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: indeed 
[23:58] Sakai Openlife: i see that 
[23:59] Sakai Openlife: ok I'll find out why after the meet 
[23:59] Shai Khalifa: kk 
[23:59] Sakai Openlife: we can include whatever it is 
[23:59] Shai Khalifa: hehe, nothing like instant testing 
[23:59] Sakai Openlife: in the update later today 
[23:59] Grimley Graves: I have 2 on the 25th, 3 on the 26th, one on the 27th, and three today 
[23:59] Grimley Graves: so both bulk and single 
[23:59] Shai Khalifa: ta Sakai 
[23:59] bajaron tacho: I think I recall reading that the game may be able to upload OGRE mesh objects ... is this still in the works? 
[0:00] Sakai Openlife: definately 
[0:00] bajaron tacho: a future feature, that is 
[0:00] Sakai Openlife: it will happen 
[0:00] Grimley Graves: oh, sheesh, thanks but the credits arent that important 
[0:00] Sakai Openlife: its already happenning in testing atm 
[0:00] Grimley Graves: just wanted you to be aware 
[0:00] Sakai Openlife: just not released 
[0:01] Clay Duport: is contact us not working sakai i h ave a panic situration but no responses 
[0:01] Sakai Openlife: panic into my IM 
[0:01] Sakai Openlife: *even now if you like 
[0:01] bajaron tacho: hmm wife is pouring another pina coldad heh may not be much use in the meeting if this keeps up 
[0:01] Clay Duport: or when we finish 
[0:01] Melly MooMoo: Right.. must go to bed as 1am here for me.. so nice ot be back and hopefully have more of an explore tomorrow x Night all ;0) 
[0:02] Sakai Openlife: 8am here 
[0:02] Sakai Openlife: far too early for pina coladas 
[0:02] Grimley Graves: nite Melly 
[0:02] Shai Khalifa: hehe Baj 
[0:02] Surreal Numbers: good night. sleep well 
[0:02] Shai Khalifa: ok Melly, sleep well 
[0:02] Sakai Openlife: ciao melly nice to meet you 
[0:02] Melly MooMoo: :0) 
[0:02] bajaron tacho: 5 pm here ... 

THE MISSING NITI 

[0:02] Grimley Graves: BTW, has anyone heard from Niti lately? I'm kinda worried 
[0:02] Shai Khalifa: 10am here 
[0:02] Sakai Openlife: but the weather has been nice and warm lately 
[0:02] Sakai Openlife:  
[0:02] Sakai Openlife: good evenings for a drink outside 
[0:02] Shai Khalifa: I was wondering - not seen or heard for ages 
[0:03] bajaron tacho: I will get back to some folks I have been telling about the game ... maybe wait a few days for dust to settle on update(s) 
[0:03] Shai Khalifa: Niti's usually commenting on Forum even not if inworld 
[0:03] Shai Khalifa: coolies Baj 
[0:03] Shai Khalifa: let us know if there's anything we can do to help 
[0:03] Sakai Openlife: yes niti is usually our chattering horse 
[0:04] bajaron tacho: sure thing .. and let me know if I can help too 
[0:04] Shai Khalifa: always ready with little quips 
[0:04] Grimley Graves: I tracked down a website for him but I dont know how up to date it is 
[0:04] Grimley Graves: seems old 
[0:04] Grimley Graves: I posted to his guestbook 
[0:04] Shai Khalifa: yes, he's got a blog I've looked at before 
[0:05] Grimley Graves: but the e-mail there bounces 
[0:05] Shai Khalifa:  
[0:05] Grimley Graves: hope everything is ok with him 
[0:05] Shai Khalifa: he's disappeared before though, then come back again after a bit 
[0:05] Shai Khalifa: summer up there in the far north, so he may be busy 
[0:06] Shai Khalifa: soaking up whatever equates to warmth while it's there 
[0:07] Grimley Graves: hope so, it would just be nice to know that everything is ok 
[0:07] Grimley Graves: I miss the bad puns  
[0:07] Shai Khalifa: hehe, must admit I miss that image of Niti's be-costumed horse avatar doing the bellydance anims at VLE 
[0:09] Grimley Graves: was there any further info on the welcome island build? 
[0:09] bajaron tacho: I will log for a bit ... will be online a little later .. thanks Sakai, for taking the time to let us know what is happening in the game 
[0:09] Sakai Openlife: sorry afk just a momrnt 
[0:09] Surreal Numbers: take care Baja. 
[0:09] Grimley Graves: hey Baj 
[0:10] Grimley Graves: whats your region name? 
[0:10] bajaron tacho: see you folks later have a good oen 
[0:10] Shai Khalifa: kk Baj, catchya 
[0:10] bajaron tacho: mine is RSbar 
[0:10] bajaron tacho: named ofter oregon property 
[0:10] Grimley Graves: cool, I'll stop by for a visit 
[0:11] Shai Khalifa: um, anyone who wants to buy Jon's animals, I'd suggest you get to them soon 
[0:12] Shai Khalifa: I'll get him to create a new Zoo probably on Creek or on a deck above Phaedran 
[0:12] Aerovamon Aionia: time for me to leave.... bye bye guys  
[0:12] Surreal Numbers: that would be helpful shai. 
[0:13] Shai Khalifa: but he's away in the far north Aus at the moment so that won't happen for a few months 
[0:13] Surreal Numbers: bye Aero. 
[0:13] Shai Khalifa: cya Aero 
[0:13] Shai Khalifa: take care 
[0:14] Sakai Openlife: back 
[0:14] Grimley Graves: so tropicana is definatly going away Shai? 
[0:14] Shai Khalifa: wb 
[0:14] Sakai Openlife: we have a bit of forum cleaning to do too 
[0:14] Shai Khalifa: yes, I can't justify the cost any longer - kids are costing me way too much 
[0:14] Sakai Openlife: likely we'll clean out very old posts 
[0:15] Grimley Graves: charge em rent LOL 
[0:15] Sakai Openlife: and a few sections 
[0:15] Shai Khalifa: hehe 
[0:15] Sakai Openlife: my parents charged rent 
[0:15] Clay Duport: ok im sorry its my fault 
[0:15] Grimley Graves: so, welcome island Sakai? 
[0:15] Sakai Openlife: to my brothers and sisters 
[0:15] Sakai Openlife: (sister) 
[0:15] Clay Duport: was griping to sakai and he booted us all 
[0:15] Clay Duport: lol 
[0:15] Shai Khalifa: lol, I do charge them rent - but they students 
[0:16] Clay Duport: kidding of course 
[0:16] Sakai Openlife: yes I'm here 
[0:16] Grimley Graves: students?? 
[0:16] Sakai Openlife: yes probably wednesday 
[0:16] Grimley Graves: double the rent 
[0:16] Sakai Openlife: sometime abouts next week 
[0:16] Shai Khalifa: yeah daughter at uni and granddaughter high school 
[0:16] Sakai Openlife: we can get in there with all the new tectures 
[0:16] Sakai Openlife: and stuff 
[0:16] Clay Duport: was kidding not griping lol 
[0:16] Shai Khalifa: ah cool, will be good to see WI done 
[0:17] Sakai Openlife: yeah you know our focus was on 0849 
[0:17] Grimley Graves: yeah, WI needs to be able to work without anyone helping newbies 
[0:17] Sakai Openlife: been a lot of tired demoralizing days this month 
[0:17] Grimley Graves: yes, we know that 
[0:17] Shai Khalifa nods vigourously 
[0:17] Grimley Graves: but it is important for the overall feel of new residenst 
[0:17] Shai Khalifa: it's hard for those of us who advocate too 
[0:18] Sakai Openlife: sure 
[0:18] Grimley Graves: and we aren't always available to help 
[0:18] Shai Khalifa: I've had more than one accusation made that I"m something of a devotee 
[0:18] Sakai Openlife: well with all the new users lately i think we also want to up the ante 
[0:19] Shai Khalifa: water of this duck's back - but that attitude is out there 
[0:19] Sakai Openlife: and 3dmee is a great time to do it 
[0:19] Clay Duport: well it beats being called a addict 
[0:19] Shai Khalifa: lol 
[0:19] Sakai Openlife: lol - i don't see a ton of ppl being attacked for using facebook 
[0:19] Sakai Openlife: so i qould question the motive 
[0:20] Sakai Openlife: we're here to have fun and enjoy our virtual life 
[0:20] Clay Duport: jealousy ? maybe 
[0:20] Sakai Openlife: possibly who knows 
[0:20] Clay Duport: in ability to break of the SL shell 
[0:20] Sakai Openlife: I know we've got an extremely committed team on our end 
[0:20] Clay Duport: inability to break out 
[0:21] Sakai Openlife: myself included I'm very passionate about this 
[0:21] Clay Duport: of sl shell 
[0:21] Grimley Graves: well, there are a lot of negative, even nasty, posts about us out there 
[0:21] Clay Duport: we all are sakai just some times i get tired 
[0:21] Sakai Openlife: and really why not 
[0:21] Sakai Openlife: I'm allowed to be 
[0:21] Grimley Graves: but most are in the 2009 era 
[0:21] Sakai Openlife: yes well just take a look at the names 
[0:22] Grimley Graves: but they still come up when you google openlife :/ 
[0:22] Sakai Openlife: and take a look at the names of ppl trying to run competing worlds 
[0:22] Grimley Graves: yep, disgruntled old users 
[0:22] Sakai Openlife: and they don't when you search 3dmee :p 
[0:22] Clay Duport: a few of the other worlds are part of the problem they are so stuck on opensim SL style they cant see any competition from a new world 
[0:22] Sakai Openlife: someone point me to a single post where I'm slagging off os 
[0:22] Clay Duport: if that makes any sense 
[0:23] Sakai Openlife: or sl 
[0:23] Sakai Openlife: or any other VW 
[0:23] Sakai Openlife: they don't exist 
[0:23] Sakai Openlife: and they don't exist because we focus on what we do 
[0:23] Clay Duport: no but you are not them they are too closed to see anything new 
[0:23] Grimley Graves: true, but like in politics, the high road doesn't get the attention... sadly 
[0:23] Shai Khalifa: yep, and that's a strength you can draw on 
[0:23] Sakai Openlife: it doesn't you're right grims 
[0:24] Sakai Openlife: but at least i feel good about what i do 
[0:24] Shai Khalifa: actually, from speaking with new people, they seem to be looking for something outside the SL paradigm 
[0:24] Clay Duport: and we do too 
[0:24] Grimley Graves: and you should 
[0:24] Shai Khalifa: and that's the niche we fill atm 
[0:24] Sakai Openlife: and i nthink there's probably a millino more users like you guys out there 
[0:24] Grimley Graves: we can all help by posting stuff about OL/3dmee out there 
[0:24] Sakai Openlife: we just need to connect with them 
[0:24] Clay Duport: i spent 6 years on sl and only saw govenor linden once and he wouldn even speak to me 
[0:25] Shai Khalifa: Sakai if you can let us know where you get into blogs and things, we can all get in and comment 
[0:25] Clay Duport: i see or hear you seversl time in a month 
[0:25] Sakai Openlife: some of the major vw places will carry about us 
[0:25] Grimley Graves: just google or bing the name 
[0:25] Sakai Openlife: we're already working on a few 
[0:25] Grimley Graves: you'll find lots of blogs 
[0:25] Sakai Openlife: releases for them 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: but we are looking at alternate places 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: non the sl circles too 
[0:26] Shai Khalifa: are you a member of the Virtuall Worlds Association? 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: *i found sl through cnn ? 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: lol 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: who knows but it wasn't a vw thing 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: and i think there's still many millions of ppl out there 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: that are new 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: that can be tapped 
[0:26] Sakai Openlife: and would enjoy it 
[0:27] Shai Khalifa: that Association is huge, and is not just about SL platform 
[0:27] Clay Duport: lol i first heard of secone life from a naked avatar in "the sims online" : really that true 
[0:27] Sakai Openlife: hehe 
[0:27] Grimley Graves: true, but the majority of newbies are from SL 
[0:27] Shai Khalifa: it's a professional Association for those who use virtual for communication 
[0:27] Clay Duport: yes sl lis losing people faster than we are  
[0:27] Clay Duport: of course they have more to lose 
[0:27] Shai Khalifa: SL currently has nasty problems with inventory and communications 
[0:27] Sakai Openlife: heeh 
[0:28] Grimley Graves: nothing new 
[0:28] Clay Duport: no comment 
[0:28] Shai Khalifa: no, but people are getting totally fed up 
[0:28] Sakai Openlife: we've been wanting to do the asset thing for a long time 
[0:28] Sakai Openlife: I thiknk that's no secret 
[0:28] Sakai Openlife: we did it 
[0:28] Sakai Openlife: a little pain 
[0:28] Sakai Openlife: but it's done 
[0:28] Shai Khalifa: we should be leveraging off that - if our comms and inventory are stable 
[0:28] Sakai Openlife: they are very stable 
[0:28] Grimley Graves: hopefully all the bugs are squashed 
[0:29] Clay Duport: you at least brought us in when you were ground floor develpment so we all feel a part of the base of OLG 
[0:29] Grimley Graves: time will tell 
[0:29] Clay Duport: even when were mad at you  
[0:29] Sakai Openlife: ah well 
[0:29] Sakai Openlife: I can only try harder 
[0:29] Shai Khalifa: hehe Clay 
[0:29] Grimley Graves: and we'll try to keep you focused 
[0:30] Clay Duport: ok ive kissed up enough tonight sakai get the grid fixed lol 
[0:30] Shai Khalifa nods 
[0:30] Shai Khalifa: roflmao 
[0:30] Sakai Openlife: i would just comment post up some good things too 
[0:30] Grimley Graves: even if it sounds like a broken record  
[0:30] Sakai Openlife: i think once we hit 3dmee 
[0:30] Grimley Graves: thats a good point 
[0:30] Sakai Openlife: name drop it 
[0:30] Sakai Openlife: anywhere 
[0:30] Sakai Openlife: everywhere 
[0:30] Grimley Graves: we should post kudos as well as complaints 
[0:30] Clay Duport: other worlds can scrath my 3dEE 
[0:30] Grimley Graves: only fair 
[0:31] Shai Khalifa: hehe 
[0:31] Shai Khalifa: we'll you'll be able to play QMee on 3DMee 
[0:31] Clay Duport: can we make little 3dee's 
[0:31] Grimley Graves: anything else pressing folks?, stomachs growling here 
[0:31] Sakai Openlife: so QMee 
[0:31] Sakai Openlife: whaat is it? 
[0:31] Clay Duport: go feed 
[0:31] Shai Khalifa: it's a quiz 
[0:32] Grimley Graves: ok, I'll send Pauline a copy of the log 
[0:32] Shai Khalifa: I'm just finalising a couple of scripts and anims 
[0:32] Shai Khalifa: then we're ready to go 
[0:32] Sakai Openlife: coolios 
[0:32] Sakai Openlife: well 

3DX OFFICE ON THE MOVE AGAIN 

[0:32] Sakai Openlife: I got a full plate here today too 
[0:32] Sakai Openlife: our lease runs out this weekend 
[0:32] Shai Khalifa: I'll put full log up on my OracL thread 
[0:32] Sakai Openlife: so we need to move office too 
[0:32] Shai Khalifa: omg, they don't let you stay? 
[0:33] Sakai Openlife: this place needs a bit of work 
[0:33] Shai Khalifa: seems like only a couple of weeks ago you guys moved iln there 
[0:33] Shai Khalifa: on the top floor 
[0:33] Sakai Openlife: 2yrs ago 
[0:33] Sakai Openlife: thereabouts 
[0:33] Shai Khalifa: you staying in tech park area? 
[0:33] Sakai Openlife: yeah still in the city 
[0:33] Sakai Openlife: not far 
[0:33] Sakai Openlife: easy to move 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: most things are already established 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: so we'll just plug computers in over there 
[0:34] Shai Khalifa: cool 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: and we're good to go 
[0:34] Shai Khalifa: I guess we all start planning the 4th birthday party soon too 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: shouldn't take more than abotu 3-4hrs tommorrow to complete 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: yeah 
[0:34] Clay Duport: i keep getting booted so im going to go chase the wife around the coffee table for a while later all get som rest sakai 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: for sure 
[0:34] Sakai Openlife: np's take care clay 
[0:35] Shai Khalifa: lol, cya Clay and say Hi to Leane for me when you catch her 
[0:35] Sakai Openlife: i gotta go look at this upload thing 
[0:35] Sakai Openlife: (charge) 
[0:35] Shai Khalifa: kk mate 
[0:35] Sakai Openlife: have fun everyone 
[0:35] Grimley Graves: see ya Clay 
[0:35] Grimley Graves: Sakai 
[0:35] Shai Khalifa: thanks for your time today again 
[0:35] Grimley Graves: and I'm off too 
[0:35] Shai Khalifa: much appreciated 
[0:35] Shai Khalifa: me too 

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: how's everyone this morning / evening

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: or even lunchtime?S?S?

[22:13]  Grimley Graves: we were beginning to fear you forgot

[22:13]  Pauline Blackswan: before you start telling us all about....

[22:13]  Grimley Graves: or got buried

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: about ...

[22:13]  Pauline Blackswan: a quick question about coordinates

[22:13]  Sakai Openlife: sure

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: hehe yes

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: neck deep in code

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: lolo

[22:14]  Pauline Blackswan: prims coordinates are exactly the same as SL?

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: you mean 0-2565

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: 256

[22:14]  Pauline Blackswan: X Y Z

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: yeah

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: x,y,z

[22:14]  Cheops Forlife: hello CHarli

[22:14]  Grimley Graves: hi Charli

[22:14]  Sakai Openlife: std vector 3 style

[22:14]  Cheops Forlife: just on my knees lol

[22:15]  Charli Darkwing: hi everyone!!

[22:15]  Surreal Numbers: hi Charli

[22:15]  Pauline Blackswan: oky i have to figure out while a simple move to will make prim roate randomly

[22:15]  Pauline Blackswan: TY Sakai

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: move of root?

[22:15]  Cheops Forlife: wb Justyn

[22:15]  Sakai Openlife: or child?

[22:15]  Pauline Blackswan: yes

[22:15]  Charli Darkwing: i may have a script for that i will check after meeting kk?

[22:15]  Justyn Tyme: im here now

[22:16]  Surreal Numbers: hi Justyn

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: yeah shouldn't rot

[22:16]  Charli Darkwing: hi Justyn

[22:16]  Sakai Openlife: there's no rot in movement method

[22:16]  Grimley Graves: you want random?

[22:16]  Pauline Blackswan: but ...sigh.,.. it does

[22:16]  Grimley Graves: or dont want?

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: soemtimes when something feels random

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: try small increments

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: (changes)

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: in either direction

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: and see if you can visually see a relationship

[22:17]  Pauline Blackswan: yes

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: that tends to help sometimes to figure it out ;)

[22:17]  Charli Darkwing: hey Sakai, i want to make some houses & stuff for new ppl, when all done can we maybe put them at the warehouse?

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: sure

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: we'd love to have em in there

[22:17]  Charli Darkwing: oops sorry didnt mean to interrupt

[22:17]  Charli Darkwing: cool

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: the more thge merrier really

[22:17]  Sakai Openlife: of course your welcome to sell em in your region too

[22:18]  Charli Darkwing: ok i make textures and sculpts i will get some packages together to put there

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: for the warehouse

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: everything is full perm

[22:18]  Justyn Tyme: what we really need is too pull our friends inhere and liven up 3dmee :-)

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: so you will need to decide if that's what you want

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: for your items

[22:18]  Charli Darkwing: no no..i will sell a few homes, but im not here for the sales

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: sure pull em all in

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: speaking of 3dmee

[22:18]  Sakai Openlife: I have some notes

[22:18]  Charli Darkwing: lol i already got 3..trying to get more

[22:19]  Justyn Tyme: yes speaking of 3dmeee :-)

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: about wa a we do-ing

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: about 9am utc

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: today

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: should see pretty much all the pages

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: flip over

[22:19]  Charli Darkwing: ok im gonna give ya'll something for your seats..is that ok?

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: the hub

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: will disapear

[22:19]  Sakai Openlife: and replace itself

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: with a new shiny hub

[22:20]  Justyn Tyme: so this is all web based?

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: yeah very web

[22:20]  Sakai Openlife: Now I mentioned ages ago

[22:20]  Charli Darkwing: with that ANY prim u can make a nice seat no balls

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: about the hub

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: all these fantastic things we wanted it to do

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: and we didn't quite get there

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: fortunately

[22:21]  Pauline Blackswan: will include the inventory manager?

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: with 3DMee

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: we did get there

[22:21]  Charli Darkwing: takes time Sakai, we are patient

[22:21]  Charli Darkwing: :)

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: So The Hub

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: is a few things

[22:21]  Sakai Openlife: it's the first screen u will see

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: in the viewer

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: it's the central screen u see when u open search

[22:22]  Charli Darkwing: i get it but only foor about 5 seconds

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: and it's has an automated preview on the front page of 3dmee

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: so you can get teased in there

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: we took all your feedback

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: about the hub cnocept

[22:22]  Justyn Tyme: loves being teased :-)

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: from last time

[22:22]  Sakai Openlife: and made that account bar

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: that we previewed in the forum

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: so you won't need the hub

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: to get details about your account anymore

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: that can be done from any page

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: across the site

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: particularly handy when an IM comes in

[22:23]  Justyn Tyme: sounds fantastic

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: that expanding P

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: that premium users see

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: will actually let you shoot a message

[22:23]  Sakai Openlife: to any other avatar

[22:24]  Cheops Forlife: is it normal the message number is not right atm?

[22:24]  Charli Darkwing: wow cool

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: yeah the numbers up there 'right' now

[22:24]  Cheops Forlife: I mean on th ebar only

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: are not accurate to the second

[22:24]  Cheops Forlife: ok

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: but that will change as we continue more changes

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: so for premium users

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: we've been working in

[22:24]  Sakai Openlife: enhancements

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: all over the place

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: through out the new site

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: to give you that extra

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: like the IM

[22:25]  Justyn Tyme: :-)

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: direct *offline/ online doesn't matter it will work it out

[22:25]  Melly MooMoo: oops

[22:25]  Melly MooMoo: hi

[22:25]  Grimley Graves: hi Melly

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: the inventory browser

[22:25]  Charli Darkwing: hi Melly

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: it's not ready yet

[22:25]  Cheops Forlife: hello Melly

[22:25]  Sakai Openlife: needs more code lovin

[22:26]  Pauline Blackswan: that's ok

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: it sorta works but too slow when we include permission

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: so we need to do a bit more for that

[22:26]  Charli Darkwing: kk

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: so we won't get it straight awaty

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: but we're working towards it later

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: there will be an interruption

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: in payments

[22:26]  Sakai Openlife: about 24hrs

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: for us to re-test

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: all the necessary parts

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: before enabling payments again

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: likely from about 9-9tommorrow

[22:27]  Justyn Tyme: a date will be posted I presume? :-)

[22:27]  Justyn Tyme: ok got it :-)

[22:27]  Charli Darkwing: good thing i stocked up this am :)

[22:27]  Grimley Graves: adv/ character/ rebake textures

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: ton the other side though

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: premium users

[22:27]  Sakai Openlife: should also see credits reverse function

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: in their premium section

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: next week

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: for cash out

[22:28]  Pauline Blackswan: online shopping?

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: 'you will' need to complete a little form and accept some legal words

[22:28]  Justyn Tyme: that'll bring some new members and old members back

[22:28]  Pauline Blackswan: it;s coming soon?

[22:28]  Charli Darkwing: lol kk

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: under 7 days

[22:28]  Grimley Graves: hope so

[22:28]  Sakai Openlife: literally next week

[22:29]  Sakai Openlife: we don't have some massive accounting department here

[22:29]  Charli Darkwing: when will the search be up? hate to ask but having probs finding some items

[22:29]  Justyn Tyme: there is a good fix for the fog let me find it in my notes

[22:29]  Sakai Openlife: the bible just arrived in welcome ? ? ?

[22:29]  Sakai Openlife: for Charli and everyone else

[22:29]  Sakai Openlife: look at the site from 9am UTC

[22:29]  Charli Darkwing: kk

[22:30]  Pauline Blackswan: i do not go to welcome that guy

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: The Hub has a search bar included in it

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: (the new hub)

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: So you can search 3 of 4 things

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: when it's released

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: world search

[22:30]  Charli Darkwing: kk i dont have the new 1 yet, as i said i get the page for about 5 seconds then it reverts to old

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: for places

[22:30]  Justyn Tyme: perfect lovin it

[22:30]  Charli Darkwing: oo kk

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: world search will

[22:30]  Sakai Openlife: find places based on keywords

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: and give you the TP link

[22:31]  Charli Darkwing: good

[22:31]  Surreal Numbers: hi melly. wb grims

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: just click the link

[22:31]  Melly MooMoo: hey :0)

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: and a little message appears

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: in the top right hand corner

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: of your viewer

[22:31]  Charli Darkwing: kk ty

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: offering you to go to xyz the place you clicked

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: avatar search

[22:31]  Sakai Openlife: let's u find av's

[22:32]  Sakai Openlife: group search let's you find groups

[22:32]  Charli Darkwing: nice

[22:32]  Sakai Openlife: item search isn't ready yet

[22:32]  Sakai Openlife: and we'll write up a big thing about item search

[22:32]  Sakai Openlife: next week

[22:32]  Sakai Openlife: in the new hub

[22:32]  Sakai Openlife: to explain it in more details

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: so we did say we were putting articles in there

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: (The New Hub)(

[22:33]  Justyn Tyme: articles?

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: and I've written a pretty useful one

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: to kick it off

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: about SpriteSheets

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: and how to sue them

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: no not sue them usem them

[22:33]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[22:33]  Justyn Tyme: sue?

[22:33]  Charli Darkwing: lol

[22:33]  Justyn Tyme: lmao

[22:33]  Melly MooMoo: off to try and not be a cloud byeee x

[22:34]  Charli Darkwing: bye

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: so we'll keep mixing it up

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: a lot

[22:34]  Justyn Tyme: melly getting the fix 4 u

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: with the articles

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: both explaining new features

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: or some useful tips

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: etc

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: and also some focus stuff on places in world

[22:34]  Sakai Openlife: just like the kitchen you can comment on articles

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: with your profile appearing etc too

[22:35]  Charli Darkwing: nice

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: (img)

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: and link back to your Avatars profile

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: We will release the 'simple' version

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: of your new online profile

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: some time Saturday

[22:35]  Sakai Openlife: Everyones online profile is the same link

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: http://3dmee.com/Avatar?Your Name

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: and using the new profiles

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: you can offer friendships via web

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: to other ppl

[22:36]  Charli Darkwing: thats good and the new ppl will love that

[22:36]  Justyn Tyme: yes they will

[22:36]  Sakai Openlife: we have a lot more intentions for the profile stuff

[22:36]  Charli Darkwing: somehow the new ppl always finds me at my place

[22:37]  Justyn Tyme: ur loved :-)

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: but we can keep drip feeding new features into it

[22:37]  Charli Darkwing: oo Sakai, is there an updated list of freebie places?

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: I will definately say though

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: by no means is this something final

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: ie you can keep giving us feedback

[22:37]  Sakai Openlife: we'll keep improving it

[22:37]  Charli Darkwing: a lot of those on the forum are no longer in existance..ive been giving out LMs to the new ppl...the 1s i have

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: we'll try to clear out

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: a lot of the forum

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: so that we don't have some confusing info in there

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: I was going to archive by age

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: but

[22:38]  Charli Darkwing: kk its not that big a deal, but 2 new ppl told me that a lot of places they went from forum no longer exists

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: there's the massive post

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: from Surreal

[22:38]  Pauline Blackswan: forgive me guys but groups will works too in any of the lovely options they has?

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: with some 10k+ hits on it

[22:38]  Sakai Openlife: so we won't drop that

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: yeah

[22:39]  Charli Darkwing: kk

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: groups also get a profile

[22:39]  Charli Darkwing: cool

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: we'll jump into more group features again

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: in the coming week or so

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: so that you can mix up your group interaction both in world and web

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: like your notices

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: and other bits and pieces

[22:39]  Sakai Openlife: polish off some of those incomplete parts

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: and add some more

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: in the end we would like you to be able to to pretty much most of what you do in world

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: with groups

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: also via web

[22:40]  Charli Darkwing: nice

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: so join a group leave a group

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: comment into group

[22:40]  Sakai Openlife: some organization bits and pieces

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: and so on

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: handy if you have to go to work 9-5 and are not allowed to have the Viewer open

[22:41]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[22:41]  Charli Darkwing: lol

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: so as with the plan

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: after we flip over those pages

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: we'll also flip over the domain

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: ie. openlifegrid.com will point to 3dmee.com

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: and 3dmee.com is the site

[22:42]  Charli Darkwing: kk

[22:42]  Justyn Tyme: ok great!

[22:42]  Sakai Openlife: we'll try to catch as many links across the internet as possible

[22:43]  Justyn Tyme: THERE GOT MELLY MOO MOO ALL FIXED UP

[22:43]  Sakai Openlife: and redirect them to their new pages automatically

[22:43]  Charli Darkwing: ty Surreal

[22:43]  Surreal Numbers: yw

[22:43]  Grimley Graves: cool, what was the problem?

[22:43]  Justyn Tyme: her being a cloud and gave her a quick fix :-)

[22:44]  Justyn Tyme: pull this up RenderUnloadedAvatar in debug setting and set it to true fixes the cloud

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: I need 2 ticks then I'm all yours I can answer Q's or just talk tiramisu or something

[22:45]  Justyn Tyme: hehe

[22:45]  Surreal Numbers: nned to make my new av:

[22:45]  Sakai Openlife: brb

[22:45]  Justyn Tyme: ewe ticks u'll b too itchy to talk lmao

[22:45]  Surreal Numbers: 3DFeedMee Numbers

[22:45]  Grimley Graves: what fixed the cloud problem?

[22:45]  Charli Darkwing: lol

[22:45]  Justyn Tyme: grimley I'll send u the fix

[22:45]  Grimley Graves: welcome King

[22:46]  Justyn Tyme: heya king

[22:46]  Charli Darkwing: hi King

[22:46]  Justyn Tyme: Bows :-)

[22:46]  Cheops Forlife: hello King

[22:46]  Grimley Graves: I was helping King and may have missed some things

[22:46]  Justyn Tyme: ty surreal 4 the LMs update

[22:47]  Charli Darkwing: ive got 7 i been giving to the new ppl

[22:47]  Surreal Numbers: yw Justyn. they are available around the grid

[22:47]  Charli Darkwing: thats cool ty again Surreal

[22:47]  Grimley Graves: was there any mention of groups?

[22:47]  Charli Darkwing: yes lol

[22:47]  Justyn Tyme: you'll be adding mine to the list soon, Im coming home

[22:48]  Charli Darkwing: :)

[22:48]  Justyn Tyme: :-)

[22:48]  Surreal Numbers: sure! the updates are prepared during the last week of each month so please send me yours

[22:48]  Justyn Tyme: will do hun :-)

[22:49]  Grimley Graves: so, King, you here from SL?

[22:50]  King James: yeah.

[22:50]  Grimley Graves: cool

[22:50]  Grimley Graves: most of are as well

[22:50]  Melly MooMoo: :0)

[22:50]  Charli Darkwing: wb Melly

[22:50]  Justyn Tyme: going to be looking for help soon, if anyone is looking for virtual work. ask around send your referals to me :-)

[22:50]  Melly MooMoo: ty :0)

[22:50]  King James: Yeah I see sl n here aint got no differences.....

[22:50]  Pauline Blackswan: hey Justyn you tricked ... i still see Melly as a cloud

[22:50]  Justyn Tyme: wb melly

[22:50]  Sakai Openlife: ah the bible

[22:51]  Melly MooMoo: awwww

[22:51]  Surreal Numbers: actually there are many differences

[22:51]  Melly MooMoo: am i???

[22:51]  Grimley Graves: oh, we have lots of differences

[22:51]  Justyn Tyme: pauline will send u the fix

[22:51]  King James: like what kind of differences........

[22:51]  Grimley Graves: yep Melly

[22:51]  Melly MooMoo: :(

[22:51]  Justyn Tyme: i see melly

[22:51]  Grimley Graves: well, we are much cheaper, and have huge prim allowances

[22:51]  Justyn Tyme: you all need the fix

[22:52]  Sakai Openlife: to find the item that's not loading

[22:52]  Melly MooMoo: lol sounds like a disease justyn

[22:52]  Grimley Graves: you can build prims up to 100 meters square

[22:52]  King James: Yeah SL kind of suck.......

[22:52]  Sakai Openlife: melly, just un wear and wear new utems

[22:52]  Justyn Tyme: lmao melly

[22:52]  Cheops Forlife: I see you ok Melly, but only white clothes, is that normal?

[22:52]  Sakai Openlife: (including shape/ etc )

[22:52]  Grimley Graves: each region comes with a free flip slot, so it's like having two regions

[22:52]  Justyn Tyme: Sakai the fix I sent her works well

[22:52]  Sakai Openlife: yeah sceneflip is definately kewl

[22:52]  King James: Damn thats alot......

[22:52]  Charli Darkwing: ooo i forgot about that...that could solve a real prob i have

[22:53]  Melly MooMoo: works for me.. but me alone lol

[22:53]  Justyn Tyme: u need to set this RenderUnloadedAvatar to true in debug seting

[22:53]  Charli Darkwing: lol Melly

[22:53]  Melly MooMoo: i know I look good :0)

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: yeah it won't work for ppl that don't ahve that setting

[22:53]  Grimley Graves: Melly, you sure you arent wearing anything?

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: but one of the item is bad

[22:53]  Melly MooMoo: just hair

[22:53]  Pauline Blackswan: Sakaimay be a already asked qquestion of the past.. but can you explane if there is any reason why with the san

[22:53]  Grimley Graves: that may be corrupted?

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: so once you've unworn that item

[22:53]  Sakai Openlife: it will be good

[22:53]  Justyn Tyme: for those who dont have the advanced tab click shift-ctrl-alt and D

[22:53]  Pauline Blackswan: same script i can see you tube clips in SL and not in OL?

[22:53]  Melly MooMoo: will take it off and be bald for a bit.. will be breezy

[22:54]  Melly MooMoo: any better?

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: yeah

[22:54]  Grimley Graves: not yet

[22:54]  Grimley Graves: might take a bit tho

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: not every html prim item

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: will work

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: in the present viewer

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: in the next viewer

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: yes

[22:54]  Charli Darkwing: try that 1 Melly

[22:54]  Sakai Openlife: you will be able to get a lot more html'ish stuff

[22:55]  Melly MooMoo: ty.. i needed a new wardrobe

[22:55]  Pauline Blackswan: sounds good

[22:55]  Justyn Tyme: in the new viewer the RenderUnloadedAvatar will be set to true?

[22:55]  Melly MooMoo: was a bit stinky

[22:55]  Charli Darkwing: lots of free stuff Melly

[22:55]  Charli Darkwing: lol

[22:55]  Melly MooMoo: melly likey free x

[22:55]  Melly MooMoo: ty

[22:55]  Sakai Openlife: possibly not - it would actually be better if we just handled it differently

[22:55]  Sakai Openlife: (ie showed you the 'issue item')

[22:55]  Charli Darkwing: let me give u a few LMs where u can go for free

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: rather than no item

[22:56]  Melly MooMoo: :0)))))

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: ie a substitute item

[22:56]  Justyn Tyme: right :-) cause I know in the new SL vieer u still have to set the RenderUnloadedAvatar to true

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: hehe use the ball King

[22:56]  Justyn Tyme: when ur a fog

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: yeah asking ppl to click into 6 menues to find an obscure setting

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: probably isn'

[22:56]  Sakai Openlife: t the best idea

[22:57]  Grimley Graves: true

[22:57]  Justyn Tyme: true especially if they dont know what they're doing lol

[22:57]  Justyn Tyme: but its easily explaines

[22:57]  Melly MooMoo: ty charli x

[22:57]  Grimley Graves: usually clouds clear with rebake or appearance

[22:57]  Charli Darkwing: there y ago 6 places with free stuff the 1st 1 has the most stuff

[22:57]  Charli Darkwing: yvw

[22:57]  Sakai Openlife: It would be really great though if you see the site

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: as 3DMee at the toip

[22:58]  Justyn Tyme: yes!

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: but see ref's to openlife in there

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: let us know

[22:58]  Charli Darkwing: ya know we kinda like family here, if u ned anything yell kk?

[22:58]  Grimley Graves: Sakai, I may have missed this before, but was there a mention of groups?

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: in the kitchen

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: so we can scoop em up really quick

[22:58]  Melly MooMoo: sounds lovely :0)

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: yeah I did touch on groups

[22:58]  Grimley Graves: specifically notices being stored?

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: we are going back to more group work

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: over the next couple weeks

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: to finalize those notices

[22:58]  Grimley Graves: I was helping King at WI and missed it

[22:58]  Justyn Tyme: big hugs to my family here {{{{{{{{{{{{ FAMILY}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

[22:58]  Charli Darkwing: of course Melly :)

[22:58]  Sakai Openlife: and some role items

[22:59]  Charli Darkwing: :) hugs back to ya hun

[22:59]  Sakai Openlife: as well as porting group function to web

[22:59]  Cheops Forlife: I posted something in the Kitchen yersterday, it is not showing

[22:59]  Grimley Graves: huggz to Justyn, and welcome back

[22:59]  Cheops Forlife: just saw a message as it was submitted

[22:59]  Charli Darkwing: ok who gives lessons in bending prims? rofl!!

[23:00]  Grimley Graves: need to make a TOWEL Charli? LOL

[23:00]  Grimley Graves: sorry, couldn't resist

[23:00]  Charli Darkwing: no i actually made sculpts for stuff like that

[23:00]  Charli Darkwing: LOL

[23:00]  Charli Darkwing: i can build BIG stuff just fine

[23:00]  Charli Darkwing: but when lil stuff i cant bend a prim to save my life

[23:00]  Charli Darkwing: well i can make spiral staircase etc..but that BIG stuff

[23:01]  Grimley Graves: so, make it big then shrink it down?

[23:01]  Sakai Openlife: looks like the sun is going down outside

[23:01]  Charli Darkwing: lol is that allowed at the game?

[23:01]  Grimley Graves: yep, YAY day cycle

[23:01]  iDesign: Collins Bench: Grimley Graves, say '/1Hide' to hide me, or '/1Show' to make me show.  Or just right-click and sit on me to use me.

[23:01]  Justyn Tyme: hehe

[23:01]  Grimley Graves: sure, just no preexisting items or sculpts

[23:01]  Pauline Blackswan: Guys Friday is always my busy day,, see you soon

[23:01]  Justyn Tyme: prefers day so I can see whose touching who lol

[23:02]  Grimley Graves: it's all in the rules

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: cya again Pauline

[23:02]  Pauline Blackswan is Offline

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: the game is done?

[23:02]  Cheops Forlife: still daylight for me :((

[23:02]  Justyn Tyme: game?

[23:02]  Grimley Graves: yep, we ran the first official game yesterday

[23:02]  Sakai Openlife: ah sweet

[23:03]  Grimley Graves: PRIMaddness

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: all work alright?

[23:03]  Cheops Forlife: ah this was a great moment

[23:03]  Grimley Graves: it's like pictionary for builders

[23:03]  Cheops Forlife: Surr you missed it!!

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: whens ur next one?

[23:03]  Grimley Graves: yeah, I found a few areas that need tweaking

[23:03]  Sakai Openlife: or does it run all the time somewhere?

[23:04]  Grimley Graves: but overall folks had a blast

[23:04]  Sakai Openlife: so u run them particular times?

[23:04]  Sakai Openlife: or anyone can use this object whenever etc?

[23:04]  Justyn Tyme: things like that brings active players :-)

[23:04]  Cheops Forlife: aww not possible to run al the time Sakai, it needs a "real" one driving it

[23:05]  Sakai Openlife: *oh i did have something a little silly we might get out next month

[23:05]  Charli Darkwing: lol im very active hahah 16 hrs + a day here ...gawd i love this place

[23:05]  Sakai Openlife: 'Turtles'

[23:05]  Justyn Tyme: nice charli

[23:05]  Justyn Tyme: I will be soon!

[23:05]  Charli Darkwing: it worked Melly

[23:05]  Charli Darkwing: i see u

[23:05]  Melly MooMoo: yey!!!

[23:05]  Sakai Openlife: we have this autonomous object thing we'd been doing a bit of stuff on

[23:05]  Grimley Graves: sorry, helping a newbie

[23:05]  Melly MooMoo: happy melly moomoo :0)

[23:05]  Charli Darkwing: lol

[23:05]  Sakai Openlife: anyways we think we might release it as a turtle

[23:05]  Charli Darkwing: cool

[23:06]  Sakai Openlife: the turtle is pretty simple (sort of)

[23:06]  Sakai Openlife: in that it will swim around your region

[23:06]  Sakai Openlife: (no scripts)

[23:06]  Charli Darkwing: yvw i will give ya some hair to put on til u get your stuff

[23:06]  Sakai Openlife: and eat food

[23:06]  Sakai Openlife: and grow

[23:06]  Sakai Openlife: *or die if u have no food

[23:06]  Justyn Tyme: nice

[23:06]  Melly MooMoo: ty

[23:07]  Sakai Openlife: u can even keep it in a ponf

[23:07]  Justyn Tyme: SSO :-)

[23:07]  Sakai Openlife: pond

[23:07]  Charli Darkwing: oops sorrry i dont have any that will transfer

[23:07]  Sakai Openlife: ie don't need ocean

[23:07]  Sakai Openlife: as long as it's 'water'

[23:07]  Sakai Openlife: (reigon water)

[23:07]  Charli Darkwing: u will get some at those places i gave u the LMs for

[23:07]  Justyn Tyme: will grab a turtle or 2 when they come out

[23:07]  Sakai Openlife: later on when we get a chance to polish it up

[23:07]  Justyn Tyme: :-)

[23:08]  Sakai Openlife: (a lot going on with 3dmee change atm)

[23:08]  Melly MooMoo: coolio.. will have a looksie laters x ty

[23:08]  Sakai Openlife: we'll post some more about it

[23:08]  Sakai Openlife: and try to get it out

[23:08]  Grimley Graves: back

[23:08]  Charli Darkwing: yvw no worries, and no hurries :)

[23:08]  Grimley Graves: the PRIMaddness games will run every tuesday at 9pm

[23:08]  Sakai Openlife: ah a weekday thing nice

[23:08]  Charli Darkwing: YAY!!!!

[23:08]  Grimley Graves: and maybe on sundays earlier too

[23:08]  Charli Darkwing: coool jus tlet me know the when and i'll be there lol

[23:08]  Melly MooMoo: oo like the sound of games

[23:09]  Sakai Openlife: hoe you do one in an alt timezone

[23:09]  Grimley Graves: if there is interest

[23:09]  Sakai Openlife: sometime

[23:09]  Charli Darkwing: ***needs prim bender teacher* lol

[23:09]  Melly MooMoo: do i need to be in a group to know when it is on?

[23:09]  Sakai Openlife: 9pm is like 5 in the morning for me

[23:09]  Charli Darkwing: nah we will get the message to you hun

[23:09]  Grimley Graves: yeah, weekdays 9pm is the earliest I can be here

[23:09]  Melly MooMoo: cool

[23:09]  Charli Darkwing: its sooo much fun

[23:09]  Melly MooMoo: i am in the UK btw x

[23:09]  Grimley Graves: but sundays I have more time

[23:09]  Charli Darkwing: kk im USa

[23:09]  Charli Darkwing: USA*

[23:09]  Sakai Openlife: in a safe part of the uk i hope?

[23:09]  Justyn Tyme: east here

[23:09]  Melly MooMoo: lol.. yes.. been awful

[23:10]  Charli Darkwing: west here

[23:10]  Melly MooMoo: all finished now i think

[23:10]  Sakai Openlife: *I'm in Taiwan

[23:10]  Sakai Openlife: :)

[23:10]  Charli Darkwing: :)

[23:10]  Grimley Graves: Denver here

[23:10]  Melly MooMoo: ah.. hello all x

[23:10]  Melly MooMoo: nice spread then

[23:10]  Grimley Graves: middle of the US

[23:10]  Charli Darkwing: Utah here

[23:10]  Sakai Openlife: little island full of earthwuakes

[23:10]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[23:10]  Charli Darkwing: lol

[23:10]  Melly MooMoo: i bet

Inworld 3DX meeting - 10 June 2011

[16:11]  Sakai Openlife: so I'll be sort of short and sweet

[16:11]  Sakai Openlife: and go over the same as the earlier meetup

[16:11]  Surreal Numbers: k

[16:11]  Sakai Openlife: We had a bit of a delay

[16:11]  Surreal Numbers: (i already read the chatlog)

[16:11]  Sakai Openlife: thanks to a dead disk

[16:11]  Sakai Openlife: in my main dev box

[16:11]  Cheops Forlife: yes I read too

[16:12]  Sakai Openlife: nothing too dramatic but just set me back a day and a bit as it quit in the middle of testing

[16:12]  Violet Indigo: I didn't read it yet

[16:12]  Sakai Openlife: the new asset system here a coulpe days ago

[16:12]  Sakai Openlife: so we should have had new asset system

[16:12]  Sakai Openlife: 2 days ago

[16:12]  Sakai Openlife: followed up with premium yesterday

[16:12]  Sakai Openlife: instead we'll get new asset system over the next 24hrs

[16:12]  Sakai Openlife: and new asset system after that

[16:12]  Sakai Openlife: *sorry new premium after that

[16:13]  Sakai Openlife: so it's pretty close just a little delay

[16:13]  Sakai Openlife: hi! clay

[16:13]  Cheops Forlife: hi Clay

[16:13]  Clay Duport: hi sakai :)

[16:13]  Violet Indigo: Hi Clay

[16:13]  Surreal Numbers: hi Clay

[16:14]  Clay Duport: hi surreal

[16:14]  Sakai Openlife: because this puts the delivery of premium past the first credits allowance payments

[16:14]  Sakai Openlife: cycle

[16:14]  Sakai Openlife: (friday nights 12pm UTC)

[16:14]  Clay Duport: and cheops and any one i missed hi

[16:14]  Sakai Openlife: we'll do a double payment for new prem users in next weeks cycl

[16:14]  Pantaiputih Korobase is Online

[16:15]  Sakai Openlife: so that early adopters can still get the possible 450cr max free for this month

[16:15]  Clay Duport: is sound on

[16:15]  Sakai Openlife: yeah but I'm not actually voicing this

[16:15]  Violet Indigo: Nice one!

[16:15]  Sakai Openlife: just chat

[16:15]  Clay Duport: ok thanks

[16:15]  Sakai Openlife: and of course we'll still give the free 85 uploads

[16:15]  Sakai Openlife: for this month free

[16:15]  Sakai Openlife: for early adopters

[16:15]  Sakai Openlife: so if you were to get prem

[16:15]  Pantaiputih Korobase: ciao all

[16:16]  Sakai Openlife: you would get some benefits from the beginning

[16:16]  Surreal Numbers: hi Pants

[16:16]  Cheops Forlife: hi Pant!

[16:16]  Clay Duport: "clay starts gathering up all his toys " :)

[16:16]  Sakai Openlife: (the extra CR and the uploads)

[16:16]  Sakai Openlife: but your start date (12 months)

[16:16]  Sakai Openlife: would appear as July 1st

[16:16]  Sakai Openlife: with an option for completing the credits reverse terms of user and sign up

[16:16]  Sakai Openlife: on Aug 1st

[16:16]  Sakai Openlife: ?

[16:17]  Sakai Openlife: so in short next weeks stipend will come out as 300cr

[16:17]  Sakai Openlife: instead of 150cr

[16:17]  Sakai Openlife: hi! pants

[16:17]  Pantaiputih Korobase: ciao Sakai

[16:17]  Cheops Forlife: cool I need new hair ;-)

[16:18]  Sakai Openlife: er part 2 of what i was supposed to mention

[16:18]  Sakai Openlife: is .. looking for my notes

[16:18]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[16:18]  Surreal Numbers: check under the coffee cup :)

[16:18]  Pantaiputih Korobase: I need instant help, I have something on my screen, I cannot remove or edit, any ideas?

[16:18]  Clay Duport: ive been out of touch a lot when will we start being able to get signed up for premioum

[16:19]  Clay Duport: get a new screen lol

[16:19]  Pantaiputih Korobase: lol

[16:19]  Sakai Openlife: is it under the post it note?

[16:19]  Sakai Openlife: hehe ok actually those were the 2 things i was supposed to mention

[16:19]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[16:19]  Sakai Openlife: so

[16:19]  Sakai Openlife: for clay

[16:19]  Pantaiputih Korobase: hm, may be relog, lol

[16:19]  Sakai Openlife: about a day

[16:19]  Clay Duport: great

[16:19]  Sakai Openlife: should have been today

[16:19]  Clay Duport: ill shut up ow

[16:19]  Sakai Openlife: but i got sucker punched with a dead disk in my main pc

[16:20]  Sakai Openlife: so delayed a day

[16:20]  Sakai Openlife: and a bit while i sorted it out

[16:20]  Clay Duport: us the sign up gong to be on the hub

[16:20]  Sakai Openlife: yeah we'll put a link in the hub

[16:20]  Sakai Openlife: which will go to

[16:20]  Surreal Numbers: i think a link is already there

[16:21]  Sakai Openlife: http://openlifegrid.com/premium.aspx

[16:21]  Sakai Openlife: on the premium page when upgrade is live

[16:21]  Sakai Openlife: there'll be a very obvious option

[16:21]  Sakai Openlife: on the screen to 'Go Premium Now'

[16:21]  Sakai Openlife: some early work on the web based snapshots

[16:21]  Sakai Openlife: I saw this morning

[16:21]  Sakai Openlife: might make it out in a couple weeks

[16:22]  Sakai Openlife: *much earlier than i expectd

[16:22]  Sakai Openlife: for prem users

[16:22]  Sakai Openlife: (this is a new function we haven't mentioned yet)

[16:22]  Sakai Openlife: but basically means

[16:22]  Sakai Openlife: if you were to take a snapshot in world

[16:22]  Sakai Openlife: (picture)

[16:22]  Sakai Openlife: you could also see it in your profile

[16:22]  Sakai Openlife: on the web

[16:22]  Sakai Openlife: so you get a double advantage of having it in your inventory

[16:23]  Sakai Openlife: and a copy on the website for you to use however you like

[16:23]  Clay Duport: no mooning ok

[16:23]  Sakai Openlife: another item feature we want to introduce is

[16:23]  Surreal Numbers: lol interesting that's the first think that popped to your mind clay. :P

[16:23]  Surreal Numbers: thing*

[16:23]  Clay Duport: yep im still a pervert wannabe

[16:23]  Sakai Openlife: web downloadable textures

[16:24]  Sakai Openlife: unfrotunately we can't enable it for existing textures

[16:24]  Sakai Openlife: but

[16:24]  Sakai Openlife: all texture you upload after the new system

[16:24]  Sakai Openlife: you can actually see as thumbnails

[16:24]  Sakai Openlife: in the site

[16:24]  Surreal Numbers: is it that the most recent snapshot will appear in your profile or will your profile accumulate snapshots (like in a folder)?

[16:24]  Surreal Numbers: wb Pants

[16:24]  Pantaiputih Korobase: wb

[16:24]  Clay Duport: wb pant

[16:24]  Sakai Openlife: sorry i should reexplain that

[16:25]  Cheops Forlife: wb Pant

[16:25]  Sakai Openlife: so

[16:25]  Sakai Openlife: if you take a snapshot

[16:25]  Sakai Openlife: *any old one

[16:25]  Sakai Openlife: anywhere

[16:25]  Sakai Openlife: it will add to your inventory

[16:25]  Sakai Openlife: and of course it's really just an image somewhere and an inventory item

[16:25]  Sakai Openlife: the downside atm

[16:25]  Sakai Openlife: is if you choose to upload

[16:25]  Sakai Openlife: automatically

[16:25]  Sakai Openlife: u don't get a copy on your pc

[16:26]  Sakai Openlife: (it's only in your inventory)

[16:26]  Sakai Openlife: with the new feature we want to enable

[16:26]  Sakai Openlife: you could see and browse all your snapshots

[16:26]  Sakai Openlife: on the web

[16:26]  Sakai Openlife: *and of course save a copy for your pc or post to another site etc etc

[16:26]  Cheops Forlife: each user owner you mean?

[16:27]  Cheops Forlife: of the snapshot

[16:27]  Sakai Openlife: well they are yours

[16:27]  Sakai Openlife: so they'll appear in your profile on the web

[16:27]  Cheops Forlife: only you can see them

[16:27]  Sakai Openlife: right

[16:27]  Sakai Openlife: only you can view them

[16:27]  Sakai Openlife: unless you want to share them

[16:27]  Surreal Numbers: is there an upper limit?

[16:27]  Sakai Openlife: nope

[16:27]  Sakai Openlife: no limits

[16:27]  Surreal Numbers: k

[16:27]  Sakai Openlife: if your prem you will be able top see all of your snapshots

[16:27]  Sakai Openlife: even if you have thousands

[16:28]  Clay Duport: can you import live pictures

[16:28]  Clay Duport: real live that is

[16:28]  Sakai Openlife: I'm not sure what you mean

[16:28]  Sakai Openlife: we'll later extend the same capability to your other textures

[16:28]  Sakai Openlife: that you 'upload'

[16:28]  Clay Duport: can you put real life picc in the profile

[16:28]  Sakai Openlife: in case you lost it and want a new one

[16:28]  Sakai Openlife: (sorry i meanlost it and eant a copy of it)

[16:29]  Sakai Openlife: if you like

[16:29]  Sakai Openlife: you can put any pic you want

[16:29]  Sakai Openlife: profiles will start turning up in the avatar page

[16:29]  Sakai Openlife: http://openlifegrid.com/Avatar.aspx?MyAvatar Name

[16:30]  Sakai Openlife: this is something brought about by the new asset system we introduced

[16:30]  Sakai Openlife: that gives us more flexibility to work with assets

[16:30]  Sakai Openlife: although we don't have any plans to just yet

[16:31]  Sakai Openlife: it could even be possible to for us to make a inventory backup

[16:31]  Sakai Openlife: (we don't seem to lose things anyway but something we could do if there was a demand)

[16:31]  Sakai Openlife: the system is also ready and capable to handle mesh types

[16:32]  Sakai Openlife: in line with our hopes to include them in a future viewer

[16:32]  Sakai Openlife: anyways i guess i just confused everyone

[16:32]  Sakai Openlife: any Q's?

[16:32]  Cheops Forlife: yes

[16:33]  Sakai Openlife: (about anything)

[16:33]  Cheops Forlife: about that, I had thois info today : http://vastpark.org/news/13

[16:33]  Cheops Forlife: wanted to know your opinion

[16:34]  Sakai Openlife: there's a few systems around

[16:34]  Sakai Openlife: for making avatars

[16:34]  Sakai Openlife: sl's avatar is a bit unique for itself

[16:34]  Cheops Forlife: this one seems to want to become a standart?

[16:34]  Sakai Openlife: hehe yeah everyone wants to make a new standard

[16:34]  Sakai Openlife: but

[16:34]  Clay Duport: i just got daz4 new vesion as wll as my poser8 are they compatanl to olg

[16:34]  Clay Duport: or new platform

[16:34]  Sakai Openlife: I doubt it will

[16:34]  Cheops Forlife: they tell that people could create for it for opensim

[16:34]  Clay Duport: copmatable

[16:35]  Pantaiputih Korobase: you are close, Clay

[16:35]  Sakai Openlife: daz is useful for what we want to do in NXG because it supports standard model types

[16:35]  Sakai Openlife: (ie existing file formats that are readable by daz3d and others)

[16:35]  Clay Duport: poser seems to be ok wiht olg at present

[16:36]  Violet Indigo: What about Blender?

[16:36]  Clay Duport: have not done much yet as not sure on compatabilities

[16:36]  Cheops Forlife: and for NXG will can still create clothing?

[16:36]  Sakai Openlife: absolutely can use belender

[16:36]  Sakai Openlife: blender

[16:36]  Sakai Openlife: (if you know how to use it)

[16:36]  Clay Duport: blender ?

[16:36]  Sakai Openlife: blender can be a hard learning curve

[16:37]  Sakai Openlife: it's quite a complex looking piece of software if you've not used it before

[16:37]  Violet Indigo: I'm slowly getting the hang - the bells on my legs were made with Blender

[16:37]  Sakai Openlife: the models that we were working with in NXG

[16:37]  Sakai Openlife: are FBX type

[16:37]  Sakai Openlife: (a common 3d file format)

[16:38]  Sakai Openlife: but in talking mesh

[16:38]  Sakai Openlife: for the upcoming viewer

[16:38]  Sakai Openlife: collada is fine

[16:38]  Sakai Openlife: but nxg will support quite a lot more formats

[16:38]  Cheops Forlife: what I don't really undersdant is if we'll be able to still create clothing and attachements inword for them

[16:39]  Surreal Numbers: will nxg include inworld building tools?

[16:39]  Cheops Forlife: yes same question

[16:39]  Surreal Numbers: (will it still be possible to build with prims, for example?

[16:39]  Sakai Openlife: we won't get into that initially for mesh objects

[16:39]  Sakai Openlife: beyond some simple things like

[16:39]  Sakai Openlife: retexturing

[16:39]  Sakai Openlife: or coloring

[16:39]  Clay Duport: are those used for sculpties blender and collada ?

[16:39]  Sakai Openlife: sizing

[16:39]  Sakai Openlife: etc

[16:39]  Sakai Openlife: because if we start making a point editor

[16:40]  Sakai Openlife: things can get quite consuming very fast

[16:40]  Sakai Openlife: spending attention on duplicating blender into the client

[16:40]  Sakai Openlife: would take a lot of time from the other 10,000 features we want

[16:40]  Surreal Numbers: so no inworld building tools or have i misunderstood the answer?

[16:40]  Cheops Forlife: so no more creation while beeing in an immersive environnement :(((

[16:40]  Sakai Openlife: prims & nurbs absolutely

[16:41]  Surreal Numbers: ok

[16:41]  Sakai Openlife: but mesh not so much

[16:41]  Cheops Forlife: and prims will be same possibilities than now?

[16:41]  Surreal Numbers: it's interesting that building with others and learning from others is a very social activity enjoyed by alot of people

[16:41]  Sakai Openlife: its a huge part of openlife now

[16:41]  Surreal Numbers: inworld building*

[16:41]  Surreal Numbers: yes

[16:41]  Cheops Forlife: oh and about external softwares, I have a question

[16:41]  Sakai Openlife: no reason for it not to be a huge part of NXG too

[16:41]  Sakai Openlife: its essential

[16:42]  Pantaiputih Korobase: and you spend time inworld while building what I think is important too for community

[16:42]  Sakai Openlife: just realistically

[16:42]  Sakai Openlife: if you look at something like daz 3d

[16:42]  Sakai Openlife: or blender

[16:42]  Sakai Openlife: that's 100,000 hrs plus

[16:42]  Sakai Openlife: of development

[16:42]  Sakai Openlife: we don't have

[16:42]  Pantaiputih Korobase: me neither

[16:42]  Sakai Openlife: and don't need to make another 3d edittor

[16:42]  Clay Duport: well what else yoiu got to do sakai :)

[16:42]  Cheops Forlife: you know how it is difficult to learn tutos alone, can you imagine an application allowing us to SHARE OUR SCREENS inworld????????????

[16:43]  Pantaiputih Korobase: you want my screen, Cheops?

[16:43]  Sakai Openlife: actually that was one of the first demos

[16:43]  Sakai Openlife: i say in finland

[16:43]  Clay Duport: you got lots of spare time sakai :)

[16:43]  Sakai Openlife: with realextend

[16:43]  Cheops Forlife: no, see what I mean? like you can do with skype

[16:43]  Sakai Openlife: (screen sharing on a prim)

[16:43]  Sakai Openlife: not interactive though

[16:43]  Sakai Openlife: only viewing

[16:43]  Sakai Openlife: and you cna do it now

[16:43]  Sakai Openlife: even in openlife

[16:44]  Cheops Forlife: how??

[16:44]  Sakai Openlife: if you have the right software

[16:44]  Sakai Openlife: you can setup a video stream

[16:44]  Sakai Openlife: (live)

[16:44]  Sakai Openlife: of your desktop

[16:44]  Cheops Forlife: ah yes but not that

[16:44]  Sakai Openlife: and put that on a prim

[16:45]  Cheops Forlife: idea should be : while working on my pc, and another one too on the same tuto, we can show us, even have a teatcher inworld

[16:45]  Cheops Forlife: and we all share our screen

[16:45]  Cheops Forlife: could be an awsome activity inworld

[16:45]  Sakai Openlife: hehe that's a lot of software to write

[16:45]  Clay Duport: openlife university :)

[16:46]  Cheops Forlife: Skype allows this

[16:46]  Cheops Forlife: so it exists

[16:46]  Sakai Openlife: indeed

[16:46]  Cheops Forlife: can't be a plugin?

[16:46]  Sakai Openlife: it does

[16:46]  Sakai Openlife: but skype was recently sold for 8.5billion $

[16:46]  Sakai Openlife: we don't have even 1% of that money to develop with

[16:46]  Cheops Forlife: lol ok

[16:47]  Sakai Openlife: so we work small for now

[16:47]  Sakai Openlife smiles

[16:47]  Pantaiputih Korobase: you ahve around a little below 1% of that sum? cool

[16:47]  Violet Indigo: And as soon as MS took over Skype went down for hours :)

[16:47]  Clay Duport: one percent is not a bad figure on that lump

[16:47]  Pantaiputih Korobase: well, they celebrated, Violet :)

[16:47]  Sakai Openlife: yes maybe a very very little portion of 1%

[16:47]  Pantaiputih Korobase: haha

[16:47]  Sakai Openlife: so small you might miss it when you walk past it

[16:47]  Surreal Numbers: yeah and they tweeted that only a small number of users were affected by the outage. lol

[16:48]  Cheops Forlife: but I mean we can use a streamer, you don't have to re write how!

[16:48]  Clay Duport: 1 percent of the one percent ill take that too

[16:48]  Pantaiputih Korobase: may be a little les of that, Clay

[16:48]  Pantaiputih Korobase: :)

[16:48]  Sakai Openlife: like i said you can stream now

[16:48]  Sakai Openlife: onto a prim

[16:49]  Sakai Openlife: somethings get complex

[16:49]  Sakai Openlife: when you want to mix

[16:49]  Surreal Numbers: running anything with a shareable desktop along with the viewer would probably be too much for alot of people's graphics cards

[16:49]  Sakai Openlife: external 2d sources

[16:49]  Sakai Openlife: into a 3d rendered environment

[16:49]  Sakai Openlife: nxg in the beginning when we start openning to closed prem user only testing

[16:49]  Sakai Openlife: will be simple

[16:50]  Pantaiputih Korobase: so, we still will be able to walk I assume

[16:50]  Sakai Openlife: right

[16:50]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[16:50]  Sakai Openlife: walk

[16:50]  Pantaiputih Korobase: :)

[16:50]  Sakai Openlife: and keep walking

[16:50]  Pantaiputih Korobase: aah, we cannot stop?

[16:50]  Sakai Openlife: the test world is so big

[16:50]  Sakai Openlife: you would need days to walk

[16:50]  Sakai Openlife: all over it

[16:51]  Pantaiputih Korobase: :)

[16:51]  Pantaiputih Korobase: is it landscaped already?

[16:51]  Sakai Openlife: yeah just generated

[16:51]  Pantaiputih Korobase: cool

[16:51]  Surreal Numbers: will testers be permitted to blog or otherwise post info about nxg?

[16:51]  Sakai Openlife: yep

[16:51]  Surreal Numbers: k

[16:52]  Clay Duport: any oceans in nxg

[16:52]  Sakai Openlife: its not a secret when we let you into it

[16:52]  Sakai Openlife: and it's bound to leak out

[16:52]  Sakai Openlife: if we let ppl in

[16:52]  Sakai Openlife: so

[16:52]  Sakai Openlife: no point holding it back

[16:52]  Surreal Numbers: ok sometimes there are constraints so wanted to check

[16:52]  Sakai Openlife: atm is a gigantic land mass

[16:52]  Sakai Openlife: with islands

[16:52]  Sakai Openlife: mountains

[16:52]  Sakai Openlife: valleys and rivers

[16:52]  Sakai Openlife: like a small sized country

[16:52]  Clay Duport: good i got to have my islands

[16:53]  Sakai Openlife: its nothing final

[16:53]  Sakai Openlife: just something we use to test with

[16:53]  Pantaiputih Korobase: sounds like Switzerland

[16:53]  Sakai Openlife: to get a idea

[16:53]  Sakai Openlife: that terrain painting demo on the wall there

[16:53]  Sakai Openlife: if it had an avatar standing in it

[16:54]  Sakai Openlife: it would be dot

[16:54]  Sakai Openlife: that terrain circle

[16:54]  Sakai Openlife: is a 100m circle

[16:54]  Sakai Openlife: we just zoomed out a lot to get a nice picture up there

[16:55]  Sakai Openlife: nxg can be really really big

[16:55]  Sakai Openlife: or really really small

[16:55]  Sakai Openlife: scale is only that scale

[16:55]  Clay Duport: you cand expand at twill too right

[16:55]  Sakai Openlife: an early testers will find out that

[16:56]  Sakai Openlife: not everything is land

[16:56]  Clay Duport: bad typing you can expand it too right

[16:56]  Sakai Openlife: the land?

[16:56]  Clay Duport: yes

[16:56]  Sakai Openlife: well the world is basically a set (but expandable size)

[16:56]  Sakai Openlife: when we first introduce

[16:56]  Clay Duport: as populationg grows olg can expand too right

[16:56]  Sakai Openlife: with zones

[16:56]  Sakai Openlife: and the zones either allow or restrict development of the land

[16:56]  Sakai Openlife: for example

[16:57]  Sakai Openlife: *this bit isn't a secret we talked about it when we first started designing nxg

[16:57]  Sakai Openlife: you could have a zone

[16:57]  Sakai Openlife: that's say off the coast

[16:57]  Sakai Openlife: somewhere

[16:57]  Sakai Openlife: you could terrafrom it into an island

[16:57]  Sakai Openlife: or join with a neighouring zone

[16:57]  Sakai Openlife: to make a larger land mass

[16:57]  Sakai Openlife: or even cut it down to a tiny island with lots of ocean

[16:57]  Sakai Openlife: if you wanted to

[16:58]  Sakai Openlife: but you might also have a shop in the 'City Zone'

[16:58]  Clay Duport: we we have ownership of private zones

[16:58]  Sakai Openlife: in this zone

[16:58]  Sakai Openlife: you cannot terraform at all

[16:58]  Sakai Openlife: you might not even have any land

[16:58]  Sakai Openlife: it might just be a 3d box

[16:58]  Sakai Openlife: in a building somewhere

[16:58]  Pantaiputih Korobase: so, basically, what is the difference between a zone and a region and part of a zone and a parcel?

[16:59]  Sakai Openlife: so zoning

[16:59]  Sakai Openlife: is a lot like real world zoning

[16:59]  Clay Duport: will we have ability to own zones

[16:59]  Clay Duport: and control of it

[16:59]  Sakai Openlife: it may have no restrictions

[16:59]  Sakai Openlife: or many restrictions

[16:59]  Sakai Openlife: for example like a real city

[16:59]  Pantaiputih Korobase: ok, I will not take norht korea zone

[16:59]  Sakai Openlife: or county might

[16:59]  Pantaiputih Korobase: north*

[17:00]  Sakai Openlife: so to help create the world

[17:00]  Sakai Openlife: some restrictions might be necessary

[17:00]  Sakai Openlife: like minimal terraforming

[17:00]  Sakai Openlife: *in order to make a huge city

[17:00]  Sakai Openlife: area

[17:00]  Sakai Openlife: we could have ppl digging big holes

[17:00]  Pantaiputih Korobase: I still do not clearly understand the difference to now (mainland vs pvt land)

[17:00]  Sakai Openlife: and making tiny islands below

[17:01]  Clay Duport: me either

[17:01]  Sakai Openlife: ok lets say

[17:01]  Sakai Openlife: the rug is our world

[17:02]  Sakai Openlife: and this large circle

[17:02]  Sakai Openlife: that's our main land mass

[17:03]  Sakai Openlife: this red area might be zoned ans metrpolis

[17:03]  Sakai Openlife: metropolis

[17:03]  Sakai Openlife: in this area you might have say a no terraforming restriction

[17:03]  Sakai Openlife: and no removal of world assets

[17:03]  Pantaiputih Korobase: ok, you plan some restricted chaos, I got it now

[17:03]  Sakai Openlife: so you might get a say a city block

[17:03]  Sakai Openlife: that you can build on

[17:03]  Sakai Openlife: or you might get something smaller

[17:03]  Sakai Openlife: like an area of an existing building

[17:04]  Sakai Openlife: which you can only build 'into'

[17:04]  Sakai Openlife: so we've started carving things upo

[17:04]  Surreal Numbers: but the important question is "can we build ad farms?" :P

[17:04]  Sakai Openlife: into zones within zones

[17:05]  Pantaiputih Korobase: still, e.g. if I am a region owner, I could plan this for a region or some too myself, the difference is that you give the rights and create the general topic, is it?

[17:05]  Sakai Openlife: so basically we try to put some zone controls

[17:05]  Clay Duport: ok im lost

[17:05]  Clay Duport: nothing new though

[17:05]  Sakai Openlife: on areas

[17:05]  Sakai Openlife: to facilitate the world

[17:06]  Surreal Numbers: clay i think it is a bit like zoning laws in the US. you have commercial only, residential, mix, rural, etc.

[17:06]  Pantaiputih Korobase: poor US

[17:06]  Sakai Openlife: lets say for example

[17:06]  Sakai Openlife: clay got this yellow zoned area

[17:06]  Sakai Openlife: and surreal got a grey zoned area

[17:06]  Clay Duport: simple can i owns a private island

[17:06]  Pantaiputih Korobase: as long as I get a Pants area with all permissions, its fine with me

[17:06]  Sakai Openlife: clays area might be zoned as minimal terraforming

[17:07]  Sakai Openlife: as he's part of a large area of land that we want to preserve the 'land' of

[17:07]  Sakai Openlife: and surreal has a zone off the coast

[17:07]  Clay Duport: hmmm well there goes my volcano

[17:07]  Sakai Openlife: surreals zone might be a free zone

[17:07]  Sakai Openlife: where he can do whatever

[17:07]  Sakai Openlife: combat

[17:07]  Sakai Openlife: games

[17:07]  Sakai Openlife: terraform whichever way

[17:07]  Pantaiputih Korobase: probably free is more expensive, ehehehehe

[17:07]  Surreal Numbers: lol

[17:08]  Violet Indigo: Will there be different payments for different types of zone?

[17:08]  Sakai Openlife: and clays zone might be no combat minimal terraform

[17:08]  Sakai Openlife: zones may be priced differently

[17:08]  Surreal Numbers: is the kind of zone you have fixed forever after you "acquire" it or will the owner have the ability to change the zone-type?

[17:08]  Sakai Openlife: well it should be as close to permanent as possible

[17:08]  Clay Duport: so a zone you own is somehwat like a parcel here then

[17:09]  Sakai Openlife: yeah it's a bit 'like'

[17:09]  Sakai Openlife: a parcel

[17:09]  Sakai Openlife: but

[17:09]  Sakai Openlife: in realityu

[17:09]  Sakai Openlife: it's just a 3d area

[17:09]  Sakai Openlife: the you can subzone

[17:09]  Sakai Openlife: and it might not be a square too

[17:09]  Clay Duport: adn its a subzone of the world then too right

[17:10]  Sakai Openlife: right

[17:10]  Sakai Openlife: for example

[17:10]  Surreal Numbers: a subzone can be more restrictive than the zone?

[17:10]  Sakai Openlife: you might be able to get

[17:10]  Sakai Openlife: a subzone

[17:10]  Sakai Openlife: of a building

[17:10]  Sakai Openlife: that little black bit

[17:10]  Sakai Openlife: that is just a level of the building

[17:10]  Sakai Openlife: in openlife

[17:10]  Sakai Openlife: we use parcels

[17:10]  Sakai Openlife: to define spaces

[17:10]  Sakai Openlife: in NXG we use 3d spaces

[17:10]  Pantaiputih Korobase: I take the antenna of the taipeh tower

[17:11]  Sakai Openlife: to define a 3d space

[17:11]  Clay Duport: ahhh light bulb goes on

[17:11]  Sakai Openlife: the cool bit about this

[17:11]  Sakai Openlife: is that you might make a tower

[17:11]  Sakai Openlife: luxurious

[17:11]  Sakai Openlife: 3d model

[17:11]  Sakai Openlife: on your little island

[17:11]  Sakai Openlife: in a free zone

[17:11]  Clay Duport: so i could have a zone and then make zones inside it

[17:11]  Sakai Openlife: and then subzone the building

[17:11]  Sakai Openlife: area

[17:11]  Sakai Openlife: to residents only

[17:12]  Sakai Openlife: then subzone inside that

[17:12]  Sakai Openlife: to each resident

[17:12]  Sakai Openlife: and bingo you have luxury apartments

[17:12]  Clay Duport: like 3d chess

[17:12]  Sakai Openlife: your apartment owner

[17:12]  Sakai Openlife: of the subzone

[17:12]  Sakai Openlife: might lock it

[17:12]  Sakai Openlife: allowing only themselves and their friends in

[17:12]  Sakai Openlife: this is something we cannot acheive nw

[17:12]  Sakai Openlife: now

[17:12]  Sakai Openlife: in oenlfie

[17:13]  Sakai Openlife: openlnife

[17:13]  Sakai Openlife: lol

[17:13]  Sakai Openlife: typonese

[17:13]  Clay Duport: or brain fart

[17:13]  Surreal Numbers: (3d chess is FUN! lol)

[17:13]  Sakai Openlife: that subzone might have its own set of features too

[17:14]  Sakai Openlife: at the same time

[17:14]  Sakai Openlife: i might own this light blue prim

[17:14]  Sakai Openlife: hanging in the air

[17:14]  Pantaiputih Korobase: well, guess, people that rent out need some stuff to be able to keep overwie of who has which kind of rights, omg

[17:14]  Sakai Openlife: i might have some small floating island up there

[17:15]  Sakai Openlife: or create some aero living or something

[17:15]  Clay Duport: how will we travel between zones

[17:15]  Clay Duport: will tp exist

[17:15]  Sakai Openlife: jumping

[17:15]  Sakai Openlife: or fly

[17:15]  Sakai Openlife: or vehicle

[17:15]  Sakai Openlife: or a lot of walking

[17:15]  Clay Duport: lol

[17:15]  Pantaiputih Korobase: lol

[17:15]  Clay Duport: i need the exercise any way

[17:15]  Sakai Openlife: we use the term jumping in nxg

[17:15]  Sakai Openlife: because it's instant

[17:16]  Sakai Openlife: (rather than teleport)

[17:16]  Sakai Openlife: and the effect is really cool too

[17:16]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[17:16]  Pantaiputih Korobase: why not lets jump in OL?

[17:16]  Violet Indigo: so if you want a zone which is bottom of the sea to top of the sky it will cost a lot more?

[17:16]  Cheops Forlife: bye all RL calling, thanks Sakai

[17:16]  Clay Duport: we do jump in ol its called orbiting

[17:16]  Sakai Openlife: it depends on how we've zoned the world

[17:16]  Surreal Numbers: bye Cheops

[17:16]  Pantaiputih Korobase: bb Cheops

[17:16]  Clay Duport: byue cheops

[17:17]  Sakai Openlife: in the beginning we'll keep the zoning simple

[17:17]  Sakai Openlife: and let it grow

[17:17]  Sakai Openlife: but it may be very possible

[17:17]  Sakai Openlife: to zone an entire city under the ocean

[17:17]  Sakai Openlife: (like a kind of atlantis)

[17:17]  Clay Duport: ok give a example if i wanted a region size of what i have ol to the sky what will it cost

[17:18]  Sakai Openlife: no idea atm

[17:18]  Sakai Openlife: what i can say

[17:18]  Sakai Openlife: is that actually there should be more affordable options

[17:18]  Surreal Numbers: will it be possible to have flip-zones much as we have flip slots now?

[17:18]  Sakai Openlife: and more expensive ones

[17:18]  Clay Duport: so we may have zones floating above us

[17:18]  Pantaiputih Korobase: did not you want to transfer existing active regions to NxG, how are they zoned?

[17:18]  Clay Duport: that are not ours

[17:18]  Clay Duport: so no sky :(

[17:18]  Sakai Openlife: well forunately

[17:19]  Sakai Openlife: in the beginning only

[17:19]  Sakai Openlife: we have the opportunity to create zones

[17:19]  Sakai Openlife: that can match regions

[17:19]  Pantaiputih Korobase: thereafeter?

[17:19]  Pantaiputih Korobase: they expire?

[17:19]  Clay Duport: ill miss my current regions

[17:19]  Sakai Openlife: well once the world starts making its shape

[17:19]  Sakai Openlife: we are less likely to have that opporunity to import

[17:20]  Sakai Openlife: of course we can expand the world

[17:20]  Sakai Openlife: or even make multiple worlds

[17:20]  Sakai Openlife: with different dynamics

[17:20]  Pantaiputih Korobase: one would suffice

[17:20]  Clay Duport: cost is a scary thought for wanting a large private zone

[17:20]  Sakai Openlife: but for the size of space you hav now

[17:20]  Sakai Openlife: I would say you can have at least the same

[17:20]  Sakai Openlife: if not significantly more

[17:21]  Sakai Openlife: it will be possible to get zones

[17:21]  Sakai Openlife: that are many kilometres across

[17:21]  Clay Duport: i have 4 regions here can i have one zone same size as all 4

[17:21]  Sakai Openlife: (ie as large as about 64 regions)

[17:21]  Clay Duport: im not that rich

[17:21]  Pantaiputih Korobase: well, we are not many constant residnets here as you know, but I think these are interested in preserving at least some of their creations including the environment, i.e. land

[17:22]  Sakai Openlife: exactly

[17:22]  Sakai Openlife: that's why i mentiond in the beginning

[17:22]  Violet Indigo nods

[17:22]  Clay Duport: yes pants you hit on it

[17:22]  Sakai Openlife: ie when we offer an opportunity to 'transfer' over

[17:22]  Sakai Openlife: we'll try to accomodate as much as possible

[17:22]  Pantaiputih Korobase: ok, so I simply misunderstood "in the begining"

[17:23]  Sakai Openlife: the new asset system that is transferring assets right now

[17:23]  Sakai Openlife: while we sit here

[17:23]  Sakai Openlife: already is converting your textures

[17:23]  Sakai Openlife: on the fly

[17:23]  Sakai Openlife: to a usable state

[17:23]  Sakai Openlife: in NXG

[17:23]  Clay Duport: now im scared

[17:23]  Sakai Openlife: and prims are being transferred into a 'readable' state

[17:23]  Clay Duport: afraid to look at my invnetory

[17:23]  Sakai Openlife: for us to work on translating

[17:23]  Sakai Openlife: into nxg style prims and nurbs

[17:23]  Clay Duport: what is a nurb

[17:24]  Sakai Openlife: a math generated object

[17:24]  Clay Duport: i will have a new learning curve

[17:24]  Violet Indigo: RL calling - (time to eat!) - have to go.

[17:24]  Sakai Openlife: let's say you wanted a prim

[17:24]  Sakai Openlife: but with rounded corners

[17:24]  Surreal Numbers: bye Violet!

[17:24]  Violet Indigo: Bye all.

[17:24]  Sakai Openlife: you would use a nurb

[17:24]  Pantaiputih Korobase: enjoy, violet

[17:24]  Clay Duport: bye violet

[17:24]  Sakai Openlife: cya

[17:24]  Sakai Openlife: or perhaps you want a particular shape

[17:24]  Sakai Openlife: that's not a box

[17:24]  Sakai Openlife: there might be a nurb for that too

[17:25]  Pantaiputih Korobase: I need a lot of nurbs

[17:25]  Pantaiputih Korobase: hehehe

[17:25]  Clay Duport: cheater dice lol

[17:25]  Sakai Openlife: a 'nurb'

[17:25]  Sakai Openlife: is a non uniform rational b-spline

[17:26]  Sakai Openlife: (so nurb is a whole lot easier to say)

[17:26]  Pantaiputih Korobase: ok, now I really got it

[17:26]  Pantaiputih Korobase: LOL

[17:26]  Sakai Openlife: right!

[17:26]  Clay Duport: well i guess im brain fried so will have to just "wait and see "

[17:26]  Pantaiputih Korobase: ditto, Clay

[17:26]  Sakai Openlife: nurbs are famous for creating curves

[17:26]  Sakai Openlife: so if you think of curvy shapes

[17:26]  Pantaiputih Korobase: learning curves included, hehe

[17:26]  Surreal Numbers: a spline is a way of approximateing a curve

[17:26]  Clay Duport: im excited and nervous at the same time

[17:26]  Clay Duport: i hate mixed emotions

[17:26]  Pantaiputih Korobase: so you sweat, Clay?

[17:26]  Sakai Openlife: like the prim box

[17:27]  Sakai Openlife: but if it had rounded corners

[17:27]  Sakai Openlife: then we need to use a nurb

[17:27]  Clay Duport: yes big time

[17:27]  Surreal Numbers: approximating*

[17:27]  Sakai Openlife: because the it's the nurb technique

[17:27]  Sakai Openlife: that makes the rounded bits

[17:27]  Sakai Openlife: (right)

[17:27]  Sakai Openlife: approximates a curve

[17:27]  Sakai Openlife: from a set of points

[17:27]  Pantaiputih Korobase: ok, this should make sculpties obsolete

[17:27]  Sakai Openlife: mesh will do that all by itself too

[17:27]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[17:27]  Clay Duport: guess il need to break out hte old geometry text books

[17:28]  Pantaiputih Korobase: dont think, there is a nurb in it, Clay

[17:28]  Surreal Numbers: (there are lots of different spline approximation methods; the nurb is just a particular one)

[17:28]  Clay Duport: will we have any sculpting devices like to make realistic trees etc

[17:28]  Sakai Openlife: so lets say

[17:28]  Clay Duport: i miss my sl tree house lol

[17:28]  Sakai Openlife: you had a boat

[17:28]  Sakai Openlife: to make the curve on the boat

[17:29]  Sakai Openlife: realistic looking

[17:29]  Sakai Openlife: you can acheive this with nurbs

[17:29]  Sakai Openlife: to get the 'bend' you want

[17:29]  Clay Duport: yeah i sorry guys im not the brightest light on the net lol

[17:29]  Sakai Openlife: brb

[17:29]  Sakai Openlife: (phone)

[17:29]  Clay Duport: guess it will be a while

[17:30]  Clay Duport: it sounds good but rather freaky too to me

[17:30]  Surreal Numbers: geez to think of all the prims i used to make round corners lol

[17:30]  Clay Duport: yeah

[17:30]  Pantaiputih Korobase: just use nurbs, easy, Surr :)

[17:30]  Surreal Numbers: it's like anything clay. we all have to dip our toes in and figure it out. sounds like fun

[17:31]  Clay Duport: but then we will definatly get away from open sim

[17:31]  Clay Duport: yes i like a challenge

[17:31]  Pantaiputih Korobase: we*ve never been there clay, or?

[17:31]  Surreal Numbers: lol pants. you're getting on my nurbs :P

[17:31]  Pantaiputih Korobase: open sim I mean

[17:31]  Clay Duport: ive already started my bucket list for my end of days

[17:31]  Pantaiputih Korobase: haha, Surr

[17:31]  Clay Duport: like a kick on the nurbs lol

[17:31]  Surreal Numbers: clay is getting nurbous

[17:31]  Clay Duport: lol

[17:31]  Pantaiputih Korobase: rofl

[17:32]  Pantaiputih Korobase: Skai on the nurbophone (round edges)

[17:32]  Clay Duport: ok stop it im lauging to tears

[17:32]  Surreal Numbers: he's got alot of nurb!

[17:32]  Pantaiputih Korobase: nurbears

[17:32]  Clay Duport: i used to beat up nurbs in grades school

[17:33]  Clay Duport: then i became one

[17:33]  Surreal Numbers: lol

[17:33]  Pantaiputih Korobase: Clay Nurport?

[17:33]  Clay Duport: are we having a nurbeous moment

[17:33]  Pantaiputih Korobase: just a nurbous break

[17:34]  Clay Duport: nerbous breakdown you man

[17:34]  Clay Duport: mean

[17:34]  Pantaiputih Korobase: naaaa

[17:34]  Surreal Numbers: naaaaaaa you must have nurbs of steel

[17:34]  Pantaiputih Korobase: lol

[17:34]  Clay Duport: wll i got a go paly with my nurbs

[17:34]  Clay Duport: play

[17:34]  Surreal Numbers: that sounds naughty

[17:35]  Pantaiputih Korobase: if your zone allows it, Clay, hahaha

[17:35]  Clay Duport: WOW did you see the nurbs on that girl

[17:35]  Pantaiputih Korobase: Clay!

[17:35]  Clay Duport: what

[17:35]  Surreal Numbers: laughing too hard now

[17:35]  Pantaiputih Korobase: hahaha

[17:36]  Pantaiputih Korobase: wonders of how many nurbs that part odf the girl is composed Clay thinks about at the moment

[17:36]  Clay Duport: sorry

[17:36]  Clay Duport: that just flashed throught my mind

[17:36]  Clay Duport: not sure just big

[17:36]  Surreal Numbers: i'll assume that will be clay's first nxg building experiment

[17:36]  Pantaiputih Korobase: haha, agree

[17:36]  Pantaiputih Korobase: girl part made of nurbs

[17:36]  Clay Duport: no i just dont want to lose all the time ive put in to olg now

[17:37]  Sakai Openlife: back

[17:37]  Sakai Openlife: but i wouldn't worry too much'

[17:37]  Sakai Openlife: we'll clearly do as much as we can to help

[17:37]  Pantaiputih Korobase: you missed something, Sakai, hahah

[17:37]  Clay Duport: well nurb ou sakai

[17:37]  Sakai Openlife: bring creations across

[17:37]  Surreal Numbers: likewise. i'm just closing in on 22,500 prims on OTR1 and plan to use all 180,000. that's a substantial build

[17:37]  Pantaiputih Korobase: wow

[17:37]  Clay Duport: yes i bet it is

[17:37]  Pantaiputih Korobase: may be some prims less with nurbs

[17:38]  Sakai Openlife: fortunately in the new asset system

[17:38]  Sakai Openlife: your prims are being translated into xml

[17:38]  Sakai Openlife: (right now)

[17:38]  Pantaiputih Korobase: wonders how nurbs can be textured

[17:38]  Clay Duport: ive got a sore nurb right now

[17:38]  Sakai Openlife: which basically means we can read them

[17:38]  Sakai Openlife: in a simple format to bring them over

[17:38]  Sakai Openlife: the reason we're not 100% sure yet

[17:39]  Sakai Openlife: is that we can't be absolute that all the types of prims we have now

[17:39]  Sakai Openlife: will be the same

[17:39]  Clay Duport: sounds like a lot fo trial and error

[17:39]  Sakai Openlife: (ie cuts and twists)

[17:39]  Sakai Openlife: and things like this

[17:39]  Pantaiputih Korobase: we will be pretty surprised of the result I assume, hahaha

[17:39]  Clay Duport: but we have survived so far

[17:39]  Pantaiputih Korobase: may be looks better than now

[17:39]  Sakai Openlife: yeah

[17:39]  Sakai Openlife: I think it will all work out well

[17:39]  Sakai Openlife: we put a lot of brain into it

[17:39]  Sakai Openlife: (and heart)

[17:40]  Clay Duport: when does ti look like we will get our first peek

[17:40]  Surreal Numbers: i dont mind rebuilding some portion of the current scenes since they can always be inmproved but it would be great to import 50 - 75%

[17:40]  Sakai Openlife: exactly

[17:40]  Surreal Numbers: improved*

[17:40]  Sakai Openlife: from what we can tell

[17:40]  Sakai Openlife: it might be only a tiny %

[17:40]  Sakai Openlife: that can't come over

[17:40]  Pantaiputih Korobase: sure, teh result of importing might even lead us to another level of ideas

[17:41]  Sakai Openlife: as a theoretical example

[17:41]  Sakai Openlife: we don't have a torus prim yet

[17:41]  Clay Duport: will it still support content ownership like now

[17:41]  Sakai Openlife: and we're not sure we'll do one

[17:41]  Sakai Openlife: (it doesn't have too much function)

[17:41]  Sakai Openlife: without cutting it up

[17:41]  Sakai Openlife: like now?

[17:41]  Sakai Openlife: mm

[17:41]  Sakai Openlife: much better than now

[17:41]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[17:41]  Clay Duport: good

[17:42]  Pantaiputih Korobase: you can zone your objects now, Clay

[17:42]  Sakai Openlife: we want to introduce new types

[17:42]  Clay Duport: wow nice thought

[17:42]  Sakai Openlife: like

[17:42]  Sakai Openlife: disposable items

[17:42]  Sakai Openlife: or limited use items

[17:42]  Sakai Openlife: eg a soda can that only works so many times

[17:42]  Sakai Openlife: or ammunition for a weapon

[17:42]  Clay Duport: im excited

[17:42]  Pantaiputih Korobase: buy a table and it dies after 10 days. lol

[17:42]  Sakai Openlife: hehe

[17:42]  Clay Duport: "i think" :)

[17:43]  Sakai Openlife: when u start looking at possible

[17:43]  Sakai Openlife: its easy to realise we have a limited system atm

[17:43]  Clay Duport: whos brain child was nxg your sakai

[17:43]  Sakai Openlife: very much so

[17:43]  Sakai Openlife: plus we get ideas all the time

[17:43]  Pantaiputih Korobase: hope Grims does not come tooooo close to your brain

[17:43]  Sakai Openlife: with users

[17:43]  Sakai Openlife: etc

[17:44]  Clay Duport: naw girm is full of nurbs

[17:44]  Sakai Openlife: but the flexibility is important

[17:44]  Sakai Openlife: so that say we might zone something as an rpg area

[17:44]  Sakai Openlife: it might be a huge space

[17:44]  Pantaiputih Korobase: and he loves nurbed brains

[17:44]  Sakai Openlife: of 40km or so

[17:44]  Sakai Openlife: that can be subzoned into smaller places

[17:44]  Sakai Openlife: with users knowing they are getting land in an rpg

[17:45]  Clay Duport: well i got to run guess ill go back to looking at the nurbs on that girl

[17:45]  Clay Duport: take care gusy

[17:45]  Clay Duport: tuys

[17:45]  Clay Duport: guys

[17:45]  Sakai Openlife: so if a generated orc comes running fown the hillside

[17:45]  Pantaiputih Korobase: bye Clay

[17:45]  Sakai Openlife: they should expect it

[17:45]  Clay Duport: bye all

[17:45]  Sakai Openlife: cya clay

[17:45]  Sakai Openlife: we would like to get some rpg going in the same world

[17:46]  Sakai Openlife: along with other activities

[17:46]  Pantaiputih Korobase: well, visions are sometimes difficult to communicate, guess we simply need to check it out and then see

[17:46]  Sakai Openlife: indeed

[17:46]  Sakai Openlife: easiest to just think large format world

[17:47]  Sakai Openlife: rather than closed 256m x 256m regions

[17:47]  Sakai Openlife: ;)

[17:47]  Sakai Openlife: so you could jump in a boat and go sailing for days

[17:47]  Pantaiputih Korobase: well, this world could be large too if there weer people, but of course I understnad the 256 x 256 argument

[17:47]  Pantaiputih Korobase: were*

[17:47]  Sakai Openlife: its a big limiter

[17:47]  Sakai Openlife: regions can be quite inefficient

[17:48]  Pantaiputih Korobase: for performance, yes

[17:48]  Sakai Openlife: even now we're running thousands of physics frames per second

[17:48]  Sakai Openlife: across the world

[17:48]  Sakai Openlife: flags are waving

[17:48]  Sakai Openlife: trees moving

[17:48]  Sakai Openlife: even if no one can see it

[17:48]  Sakai Openlife: fish swimming around

[17:49]  Pantaiputih Korobase: yes, and if they re no mod, you cannot stop them moving, lol

[17:49]  Sakai Openlife: rather unnecessary

[17:49]  Sakai Openlife: there are scripts running to no effect of anyone

[17:49]  Pantaiputih Korobase: guess, if the world would be populated, it might not be unnecessary as many would see them?

[17:49]  Sakai Openlife: which is why a completely different architectural approach was neccessary

[17:50]  Sakai Openlife: well still quite unneccessary

[17:50]  Pantaiputih Korobase: switch off, switch on on demand, sure

[17:50]  Sakai Openlife: there's a huge amount of inneficiency

[17:50]  Sakai Openlife: in the architecture

[17:50]  Sakai Openlife: of many simluated scenes

[17:51]  Sakai Openlife: anyways it;s quite an exciting project to work on

[17:51]  Sakai Openlife: when we get the chance to

[17:51]  Sakai Openlife: ?

[17:51]  Pantaiputih Korobase: .)

[17:52]  Sakai Openlife: but now i need to get back to testing the asset system

[17:52]  Sakai Openlife: so i can complete the plans for this weekend inc prem stuff

[17:52]  Pantaiputih Korobase: cool

[17:52]  Sakai Openlife: nice to see everyone

[17:52]  Pantaiputih Korobase: so, see you later Sakai

[17:52]  Sakai Openlife: I'll be here all night

[17:52]  Sakai Openlife: ?

[17:52]  Sakai Openlife: almost 2am here now

[17:52]  Sakai Openlife: have fun! ?

[17:52]  Pantaiputih Korobase: ditto

[17:53]  Pantaiputih Korobase: ciao for now

[17:53]  Sakai Openlife is Offline